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Post by Melnorme on Jul 14, 2005 6:01:03 GMT -5
'Sephardi Tahor' ( "pure Sephardi" ) has had many meanings throughout the centuries, I suspect. Most recently, it was used as a descriptor for Ladino-speaking Jews who immigrated from various provinces of the Ottoman Empire and the Balkans to Israel in the 19th century, before the rise of Zionism. It's said that they were all rich landowners and businessmen, but nowadays they've mostly faded out demographically.
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Post by k5125 on Jul 14, 2005 9:39:56 GMT -5
Mizrahim does it have any relations with Misr = arabic for Egypt/ Mizriam = one of the sons of Ham? or is it coincidince? K5, yigal or flowin'? Very good observation, but actually the Hebrew word for egypt is Mitzrayim, which yes sounds remarkablly similar to Misr. Infact in yemenite pronunciation (original Hebrew) the tz is pronounced just like Arabic Saad, so really its MiSrayim. Just shows how close the langs really are. The Hebrew word mizrahim on the other hand simply means easterners, mizrahi being the hebrew word for east. Of course a lot of Sephardic Jews have the last name Mizrahi and are not actually Mizrahi in the purest sense. Isaac Mizrahi is an example of this I think, his parents being descended from the spanish exiles instead them being indigenous to Syria.
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Post by yigal on Jul 14, 2005 13:44:17 GMT -5
Mizrahim does it have any relations with Misr = arabic for Egypt/ Mizriam = one of the sons of Ham? or is it coincidince? K5, yigal or flowin'? No Egypt is Mitzrayim Mizra7=Mashreq (mizra7im plural) Ma'3arav=maghareb mitzrayim=misr 3arav has some vauge relation to do with the word western, both have to do with the son or someshit,same root
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Post by Yankel on Jul 14, 2005 15:59:54 GMT -5
Isaac Mizrahi is an example of this I think, his parents being descended from the spanish exiles instead them being indigenous to Syria. All Syrian Jews have Mizrahi and Sephardi ancestors.
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Post by k5125 on Jul 14, 2005 17:33:48 GMT -5
Isaac Mizrahi is an example of this I think, his parents being descended from the spanish exiles instead them being indigenous to Syria. All Syrian Jews have Mizrahi and Sephardi ancestors. Really? I thought Sephardim in Syria only married amongst themselves?
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Post by yigal on Jul 14, 2005 17:38:21 GMT -5
Isaac Mizrahi is an example of this I think, his parents being descended from the spanish exiles instead them being indigenous to Syria. All Syrian Jews have Mizrahi and Sephardi ancestors. actually it should be more accuratly said all Aleppo "sephardim" are mostly mizra7i, and Damashq/Shami jews are totally mizra7i there was a tiny tiny Sephardic diaspora in syria nothing like in north africa, they totally assimilated with the aleppo mizrahim so no thing as "syrian" ladino unlike morroco which does have "morrocan"-ladino(haketiyya)
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Post by Yankel on Jul 14, 2005 23:23:23 GMT -5
I stand corrected! Thanks for the info. FWIW, I always assumed that Syrian Jews were more Mizrahi than anything because, like you said, the Sephardi presence there was minor.
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