Want to see the Ts crossed and the Is dotted about hate? Which flag is burnt? Which flag is not lonely burnt, but trampled, rent, soiled with all kinds of filth, in order to desecrate it even more? Do citizens whose flag I'm evoking use to burn the national flags of those who hate them so much? In which countries is this desecration institutionalized? Who demonstrates against the so-called arch-enemy, faces distorted with revulsion, mouths frothing with rage, beating their chests in a hate-trance? Who plants bombs, stones human beings to death, holds half of mankind (women) to be less than dirt and a part of the other half to be less than dung? Who thinks that they are pure and the others legitimate targets? Who lives by millions in countries whose laws they don't recognize and permanently try to by-pass, whose tenets they scorn, whose citizens they want converted or dead? Who is ready to carry out, anywhere in the world, juridical-religious decrees proclaimed in their home-countries or in culturally similar nations? Who tests enduringly the will of their host-countries, trying to gain terrain inch by inch?
I'm waiting for the pol-cor talk and the moral lessons, but what I'd like even better is a piece of advice about grammar (using a generic singular after "who" but plural forms in the rest of the sentences). I'm not satisfied with the way I turned my phrases, but I couldn't do better. Yep, this is my main concern about this post.
It was Jewish people throughout world history. It was Black people and Red people throughout America's history. In the USA in 2005, it's Appalachian people. You're in a world of crap if you're a Black Jewish Appalachian with Native American ancestry. ;-)
Bigotry and political correctness are two sides of the same coin.
Don't mean to sound racist, but if I have to guess I'd say Blacks are the most hated race in the world. It just seems like everybody is prejudice against them, Arabs, South Asians, East asians, Persians, Turks, even a lot of hispanics and latinos who are sometimes mixed with black themselves are prejudice against blacks, and of course everybody knows whites are prejudice against blacks. I know a lot of ethnicities like Asians tend to be very ethnocentric and are basically prejudice towards anybody outside of their ethnic group. Japanese and Koreans for example are both well known for being very prejudice against all non-Japanese or non-Koreans, even other Asians. Anyways, I think the reason why blacks are dispised are is because they are seen as being low class. The sub-saharan African countries are the world's worst shit-holes, the poorest, the most poverty, etc, and everybody knows this and thats why they look down on blacks, they see them as being filthy, poor, dirty, diseased, people. Of course colonial racism is a factor too, especially with White and Arab racism against blacks is based on feelings of racial supremacy.
Post by nerdling301 on Jan 3, 2006 13:35:05 GMT -5
Jews are hated for the successes that they are able to achieve in society (ie bankers, movie industry, etc). Their race was well suited for the pinnacle of civilized jobs with a typically less-physical characteristic and enhanced mental capabilities. These traits were further amplified through the selection that occurred in medieval Europe, where such occupations as money lending were outlawed by the church, making it a viable and lucrative occuption for the Jews. The fact that through the overwhelming adversity they face, the Jewish people have risen up to occupy high levels of society is astounding and definitely makes them worthy of respect. To reverse the common hatred of Jews will not be an easy task, more than 2000 years of stereotyping and false accusations are compounded onto society's current outlook on the Jewish people. Also, the Jews have never had their own homeland (Israel was a bad choice), forcing them to live in other people's homelands, which inherently garners dislike. If the Jewish people can find a true homeland (I for one think that they should have been given a slice of Germany after WWII), then maybe their situation will start to improve.
Nerdling, You really believe that circular reasoning: that Jews are racially suited to office-work (implying that they're physically less robust)?
I find it one of history's greatest ironies that Jews became synonymous with city-bound weaklings. The Old Testament glorifies the original Nomadic nature of the Israelites and celebrates strength, physical prowess, and all the manly virtues. By contrast, they demonized the new cities that were displacing the old way of life. [The parable of Nimrod building a tower to the sky is an example forcefully in point, as well as the later tale of Sodom and Gomorrah.] Isaac Asimov points out the historical period where the old Nomadic ways came up against the new agrarianism of city-life--and casts a light on the old Cain and Abel rivalry. Remember: Cain offered God fruits and vegetables (which God didn't like) and Abel offered God meat (from the old nomadic life-style) and God preferred it. (One can only grow fruits and vegetables in a rooted community. Agrarianism created cities.) The Israelites were firmly on the side of the old nomadic traditions, and against the new historical invention of cities. (Remember how the Bible portrays Sodom and Gomorrah as dens of homosexuality, perversion, vice--and how Lot was only saved after he escaped the filthy city and returned to living in a tent like his ancestors?) So what great irony that, millennia later, Jews would be living in exile in other peoples' countries, not allowed to buy land, hence confined to urban areas. After millennia of urbanization, Jewish culture lost touch with the Earth, with the land--and now Jews themselves make statements that would have made the old Israelites shudder: Namely, that Jews are "racially" suited to desk-work, because they're less physical, less robust than the stronger races that make up their host-populations. Imagine their dismay and sadness if they were to learn that, not only were their descendants "urbanized," but, just as with the Sodom and Gomorrah parable, Jews would be at the forefront of the modern gay-rights movement [which was founded by the Jewish activist Magnus Hirschfeld in Berlin].
P.S.--A fan of the Old Israelites can only side with the manlier virtues of the Zionists than with the liberal Jewish Woody Allen types which give a weak, effeminate and debauched face to world Jewry.
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Post by nerdling301 on Jan 3, 2006 17:40:01 GMT -5
there's a sticky situation...but then again give one example of native people taking kindly to immigrants :\
oh and drooper, you are correct that i was using a stereotype. see i go to an all boys catholic private school that is at least 90% irish, and the lightly veiled racism throughout the school is staggering. I've become quite the victim of it, sadly, because back during my public school days I would find myself rarely prejudicing myself towards those who were different. My mind had totally shut itself out to the possibility that there were strong, physical jews out there and relegated them all into a "scheister" stereotype. However, i'm sure you've seen the rather controversial study regarding ashkenazim intelligence
Nerdling, I'm Catholic, too--and also racist. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha Sadly, part of reaching adulthood is realizing that stereotypes aren't born in a void--that they exist because they do have a basis in reality. Jews in Europe typically were considered shorter than their counterparts in their host-population. (Pre-WWII anthropometric studies said that average Jewish height for men was only 5'5'' (167 cm).) This is owed to two factors: Jews--with Mediterranean traits--were typically less robust, less tall than their Northern European counterparts (much as a Sicilian or southern Spaniard would look out-of-place among Norwegians), and 2) Jewish nutrition was rather poor, compared to the big-boned Northerners not living in the ghetto. Surrounding Gentile populations ate sausage and pork and steak, while the Jews--with their self-imposed dietary restrictions--rarely ate as well. Poverty and other socio-economic factors added to the dietary disparity as well. So, no, Jews weren't all these rich people, living in the lap of luxury. They were poor and lived in ghettos; or, if not in ghettos, then in filthy villages called shtetls, that rarely had much sanitation and scarcely had nutritious food.
Exceptions always exist to any rule when height is considered. [Look at how Osama Bin Laden in 6'6''.] But because the exception exists doesn't eradicate the rule. Hence the Jewish stereotype of the runt, the Woody Allen, the Roman Polanski, the whiny nebbish. Sadly, it's based on statistical averages. So 5'6'' TV personality Jon Stewart is more in line with statistical averages than 6'4'' super-Jew Jeff Goldblum.
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