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Post by NunzioGuido on May 16, 2005 21:00:39 GMT -5
Is it true that outside of Miami its very rare to actually see a white hispanic.In New York most hispanics are mulatos and blacks from the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and in the Southwest most hispanics are indios and mestizos from Mexico and Central America so that leaves only Miami with a considerable number of white spanish speakers mainly from Cuba.So if the overhwhelming majority of white hispanics in America are concentrated mainly in just one city than why do almost half of Hispanics identify themselves as white in the census when last time I checked half of the hispanic population in the United States are not concentrated in just Miami alone.I take it there are alot of Cheech Marin look alikes in the Southwest identifying themselves as "white" thats got to be the only explanation for it.
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Post by mike2 on May 16, 2005 22:29:39 GMT -5
The best place to see white Hispanics is Spain itself.
But for the New World, it's a little more complicated. And if you narrow it to the U.S., then it gets even more complicated. The best place to see white Hispanics is Spanish TV. Nearly all the celebrities are Caucasian.
We had senior awards tonight and some Hispanic girl named Marta (she's the Valedictorian) won some Minority Achievement Scholarship thing. I was angry not only because I don't believe in such awards but also because Marta isn't a minority, anyway. She's just Spanish whitebread masquerading as a minority. Oh, well.
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Post by NuSapiens on May 16, 2005 22:34:27 GMT -5
We had senior awards tonight and some Hispanic girl named Marta (she's the Valedictorian) won some Minority Achievement Scholarship thing. I was angry not only because I don't believe in such awards but also because Marta isn't a minority, anyway. She's just Spanish whitebread masquerading as a minority. Oh, well. Even if she is racially white, she is in a sense a cultural minority, since USA culture is dominated by Anglo-Saxon values and norms of behavior.
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Post by mike2 on May 16, 2005 22:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah, but not Marta. She's upperclass, and talks and acts like a honkey. Richer and smarter than I am, at least.
And I'm part Greek, should I have minority status, too, because I don't come from a fully Anglo-Saxon background?
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Post by Newman on May 16, 2005 23:47:12 GMT -5
Even if she is racially white, she is in a sense a cultural minority, since USA culture is dominated by Anglo-Saxon values and norms of behavior. So her apparent disadvantage comes not from belonging to a different racial group than the majority of American citizens that one can safely assume she would not be discriminated against when applying for work or college based on her phenotype alone. Rather it's due to the hindrance of being culturally different than mainstream America and thus finding it harder to fit in and somehow in need of government assistance to acheive her goals. I never quite understood the logic behind this affirmative action thingy. I think for "black" Americans affirmative action is some sort of reparation mechanism put in place out of guilt for the wrongs done to their ancestors via slavery but for "hispanics" or any other "race" I'm not quite sure. Is it because being "non-white" they're incapable of landing a job or a place in an academic institution on their own merits or to circumvent the long-established discriminatory practices and prejudices of those in positions of power in "America". In my opinion you have to go to the root of the problem and deal with the poverty trap members of the low social economic stratus are perpetually stuck in whether they be black, white, brown, purple, pink etc, etc, etc. and not always make it a "race/ethnic" issue which only helps to create further division.
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Post by Newman on May 17, 2005 0:25:30 GMT -5
Is it true that outside of Miami its very rare to actually see a white hispanic.In New York most hispanics are mulatos and blacks from the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and in the Southwest most hispanics are indios and mestizos from Mexico and Central America so that leaves only Miami with a considerable number of white spanish speakers mainly from Cuba.So if the overhwhelming majority of white hispanics in America are concentrated mainly in just one city than why do almost half of Hispanics identify themselves as white in the census when last time I checked half of the hispanic population in the United States are not concentrated in just Miami alone.I take it there are alot of Cheech Marin look alikes in the Southwest identifying themselves as "white" thats got to be the only explanation for it. BTW the "hispanic" label is a misnomer. The various rich cultures present in "Latin America" influenced by Native American, African and European traditions cannot be captured by such a simplistic term. There is so much more to that region that a mere word can never, ever encapsulate. You would need a whole bunch of superlatives to do that.
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Post by vela on May 17, 2005 1:05:52 GMT -5
Is it true that outside of Miami its very rare to actually see a white hispanic.In New York most hispanics are mulatos and blacks from the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and in the Southwest most hispanics are indios and mestizos from Mexico and Central America so that leaves only Miami with a considerable number of white spanish speakers mainly from Cuba.So if the overhwhelming majority of white hispanics in America are concentrated mainly in just one city than why do almost half of Hispanics identify themselves as white in the census when last time I checked half of the hispanic population in the United States are not concentrated in just Miami alone.I take it there are alot of Cheech Marin look alikes in the Southwest identifying themselves as "white" thats got to be the only explanation for it. Do you actually leave your room once in a while? What do you expect to see? Somebody with a label hanging from his neck saying "I AM A WHITE HISPANIC"? Anyone can be Hispanic, even those you find so hard to believe!
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Post by Toasty on May 17, 2005 1:34:20 GMT -5
*Hangs label around neck*
I AM A WHITE HISPANIC?
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Post by noit on May 17, 2005 1:37:48 GMT -5
Do you actually leave your room once in a while? What do you expect to see? Somebody with a label hanging from his neck saying "I AM A WHITE HISPANIC"? it's funny that people can't live without labels, classifications, strereotypes and prejudices. ;D
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Post by Toasty on May 17, 2005 1:39:41 GMT -5
Well of course , we are only human after all.
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Post by Anja on May 17, 2005 10:07:11 GMT -5
So her apparent disadvantage comes not from belonging to a different racial group than the majority of American citizens that one can safely assume she would not be discriminated against when applying for work or college based on her phenotype alone. Rather it's due to the hindrance of being culturally different than mainstream America and thus finding it harder to fit in and somehow in need of government assistance to acheive her goals. I never quite understood the logic behind this affirmative action thingy. I think for "black" Americans affirmative action is some sort of reparation mechanism put in place out of guilt for the wrongs done to their ancestors via slavery but for "hispanics" or any other "race" I'm not quite sure. Is it because being "non-white" they're incapable of landing a job or a place in an academic institution on their own merits or to circumvent the long-established discriminatory practices and prejudices of those in positions of power in "America". In my opinion you have to go to the root of the problem and deal with the poverty trap members of the low social economic stratus are perpetually stuck in whether they be black, white, brown, purple, pink etc, etc, etc. and not always make it a "race/ethnic" issue which only helps to create further division. Even worse...at many U.S. colleges it is still possible to get a minority scholarship if you're like 1/16 Native American. Now, I know a few kids who fit into this category...they look white, and they're all richer than me, and they have absolutely no cultural ties to any Amerindian culture...hell, I sometimes think I care about their native heritage more than they do.
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Post by Anja on May 17, 2005 10:10:00 GMT -5
Question: is it normal/correct for a person that's 1/2 or 1/4 puerto rican to call themselves hispanic? I would assume it would have to do with how close to the culture and language they are, but...
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Post by vela on May 17, 2005 10:33:04 GMT -5
Even worse...at many U.S. colleges it is still possible to get a minority scholarship if you're like 1/16 Native American. Now, I know a few kids who fit into this category...they look white, and they're all richer than me, and they have absolutely no cultural ties to any Amerindian culture...hell, I sometimes think I care about their native heritage more than they do. This is shameless self-promoting expediency!
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on May 17, 2005 11:56:00 GMT -5
There is something like that in Australia for Aborigines. Special scholarships, non merit entry into certain university courses, grants to artists and writers and financial support paying fees, giving living allowances for Aboriginal people. Most of those Aborigines are more than 75% caucasoid. It causes a lot of resentment this special treatment.
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Post by Anja on May 17, 2005 13:07:31 GMT -5
This is shameless self-promoting expediency! What do you mean? I'm just stating what I've seen. One of my best friends is about 3/16 NA, and he knows little more about his NA ancestry than that, and in my personal opinion, I find it discouraging that people with so little of a tie to that heritage can capitalize off it without learning about that culture. By saying he's richer than me, and that he looks white, I was trying to point out that he is not particularily disadvantaged because of his heritage. And as to the last comment I made about me caring more about their native heritage than they do: I've done much of my family's genealogy, and I care about things like that more than most people my age, more than any of my friends anyway. That's just a fact. (ex: My friend who says she's part black Irish assumes that her ancestor was black and from Ireland). I didn't mean that to be offensive or self-promoting. I just feel that if you're gonna be able to get money, you should have closer ties to your heritage and show an interest in it. I'll go look for some scholarship requirements, I'm not sure of the exact fraction of ancestry you can have.
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