The Real North Africans

[topdog]

Mike said:

Semites are Caucasoid, Criollo. They're not Negroid, not Australoid, not Capoid, not Mongoloid, not a type of their own---- they're Caucasoid.

Semitic is a linguistic designation, not a racial one. Some Ethiopians are 'Semites', but they are not Caucasoids.

[SensoUnico]

What is your point? That caucasoid people are Europeans! Caucasoids do not have to have pinkish skin tone! American blacks are thought of as negroid when in fact they do not have a race due to their mixed racial origins. Mestizos do not have a race for the same reason. Mixed race people cannot be assigned to a race phenotypically unless you are willing to accept their interracial features as many American blacks have, which separate them from true negrids. Ethiopians are a mixed group. In as far as each racial group has a range of physical features those Moroccan children may not be pink faced English or olive faced Italians but they are closer to the caucasoid group than to any other. But mixed groups do not destroy races by existing whether in Morocco or the USA.

[topdog]

SensoUnico said:

What is your point? That caucasoid people are Europeans! Caucasoids do not have to have pinkish skin tone! American blacks are thought of as negroid when in fact they do not have a race due to their mixed racial origins. Mestizos do not have a race for the same reason. Mixed race people cannot be assigned to a race phenotypically unless you are willing to accept their interracial features as many American blacks have, which separate them from true negrids. Ethiopians are a mixed group. In as far as each racial group has a range of physical features those Moroccan children may not be pink faced English or olive faced Italians but they are closer to the caucasoid group than to any other. But mixed groups do not destroy races by existing whether in Morocco or the USA.

Red herring post, there are Africans who aren't racially pure according to genetics and for that matter, no on belongs to any race because there are no pure races.

[SensoUnico]

Charlie said:

Red herring post, there are Africans who aren't racially pure according to genetics and for that matter, no on belongs to any race because there are no pure races.

Sounds like an Afrocentrist speaking. Please note. African is NOT NEGROID. Got it. Of course Africans are not racially pure because Africans belong to different races. You are just thinking of the West African negrids as Africans. Think KhoiSanid. Think North African caucasoid. Think NE African Ethiopid. All quite different and not of the same race. As for the Afrocentrist and the 'there is no race' PC brigade of 1960s love generation, the silly idea that there are no 100% pure races but >90% pure races does not nullify the fact that races exist or that racially intermixed ethnic groups like American blacks or mestizos do not destroy that fact. Humans are just odd looking chimpanzees genetically speaking, 98% chimpanzees. So what are you? A Bonobo!

[Soomaal]

SensoUnico said:

Sounds like an Afrocentrist speaking. Please note. African is NOT NEGROID. Got it. Of course Africans are not racially pure because Africans belong to different races. You are just thinking of the West African negrids as Africans. Think KhoiSanid. Think North African caucasoid. Think NE African Ethiopid. All quite different and not of the same race. As for the Afrocentrist and the 'there is no race' PC brigade of 1960s love generation, the silly idea that there are no 100% pure races but >90% pure races does not nullify the fact that races exist or that racially intermixed ethnic groups like American blacks or mestizos do not destroy that fact. Humans are just odd looking chimpanzees genetically speaking, 98% chimpanzees. So what are you? A Bonobo!

LMAO

I would rather be a chimp, bonobo's use sex to mediate everything it didn't matter whether if is two males or two females they use some type of sex to mediate everything, they are the hippy monkeys.LOL

[topdog]

SensoUnico said:

Sounds like an Afrocentrist speaking. Please note. African is NOT NEGROID. Got it. Of course Africans are not racially pure because Africans belong to different races. You are just thinking of the West African negrids as Africans. Think KhoiSanid. Think North African caucasoid. Think NE African Ethiopid. All quite different and not of the same race. As for the Afrocentrist and the 'there is no race' PC brigade of 1960s love generation, the silly idea that there are no 100% pure races but >90% pure races does not nullify the fact that races exist or that racially intermixed ethnic groups like American blacks or mestizos do not destroy that fact. Humans are just odd looking chimpanzees genetically speaking, 98% chimpanzees. So what are you? A Bonobo!

Ad-hominem post and where did I say African=Negroid? Quit swinging at the air when there's no one there. There is no pure race on the face of the planet and how can 'Ethiopids' be a race of its own when you just said they mixed? American blacks and mestizos are not a race because they're mixed, but Ethiopids are a separate race eventhough according to you they're mixed? You contradict yourself.

[Igu]

Criollo said:

This is the real muslim north African phenotype any questions?

No questions but comments:

half of the kids are mulatto looking... because they have negroid admixture.

The rest of the pics are Caucasoid looking (according to those who invented that word).

If you mean "representitive" by using "real", the pic of the kids is not, the rest might be.

If I were you, I would have posted pictures of the moroccan goverment's members or the parliament's members.

Look to the real north africans:


they are North africans, but it's not very intelligent to call them "real" either.

[Igu]

Charlie said:

Red herring post, there are Africans who aren't racially pure according to genetics and for that matter, no on belongs to any race because there are no pure races.

If you really did not believe in the existence of races you wouldn't have said that the depicted people are not caucasoid. you would have agrued about the existence of the caucasoid race... you are the one misleading people because there is no logic in your posts:

-Charlie:"these people are not caucasoid!!!"
-Dodonian:"No they are"
-Charlie:"Caucasoid race does bot exist"

[topdog]

Igu said:

If you really did not believe in the existence of races you wouldn't have said that the depicted people are not caucasoid. you would have agrued about the existence of the caucasoid race... you are the one misleading people because there is no logic in your posts:

-Charlie:"these people are not caucasoid!!!"
-Dodonian:"No they are"
-Charlie:"Caucasoid race does bot exist"

Don't put words in my mouth, I said the kids in the first picture are not Caucasoids, which you agree with because you said they're mulatto looking. I further went of to say that not all Berbers are Caucasoid, which is true, and where did I say the Caucasoid race doesn't exist? Genetically speaking, there are no pure people on the planet, but that doesn't take away the fact that some groups do physically cluster close together and away from others.

[SensoUnico]

Charlie, you would not know a real North African if he bit you on the buttocks. Like most American blacks of mixed race you presume you kinow everything there is about Africa despite it being a large multi racial landmass. Well you do not know everything about Africa. There are negroid Africans and mixed race Africans in Morocco. So there are in Europe or the Americas. It does not mean they are indigenes to those places, just born there and of recent historic vintage. You see a mixed race Moroccan and assume the person is indigenous from humans that lived there for thousands of years. No black American or caucasoid American is indigenous to the Americas even in 2000 years time as they originated somewhere else. Just because it is Africa does not make a difference as to whether the negroid is native to North Africa. And you do assume African means negroid. Even Cavalli-Sforza makes that mistake, but he does not accept race just population differences and clines.

PS Tuaregs are not really North Africans. They are mixed race Berbers more linguistic and culturally Berber than racially Berber which is caucasoid. They are like American blacks: Linguistically and culturally European American but of mixed race. Are you telling me you are an American caucasoid because you speak English and follow European customs?

[mike2]

Charlie said:

Since Berbers are so diverse what exactly is 'Berberid'? The aboriginal Berbers include people who were morphologically intermediate, not just pure 'Caucasoids'.

Easy. The Berberid type can refer to either: a.) the Ibero-Maurusian element and/or b.) the Capsian/Southern Mediterranean element. It usually refers to the latter. I'm not talking about the Tuaregs. They're Berbers only in the linguistic sense, though some do show Berberid features indicative of a mixed heritage. I'm sure you'll have fun arguing that all the way to the bank but I could care less. I know what Sudanids look like, I know what Tuaregs look like, I know what Berbers look like. There is no clear racial demarcation line between the three, they blend into each other.

Charlie said:

Semitic is a linguistic designation, not a racial one. Some Ethiopians are 'Semites', but they are not Caucasoids.

According to some people, yes, it is purely linguistic, but there's no reason to harp on that kind of a technicality in this case because you and I know perfectly well what Criollo meant when he spoke of a Semitic element in Morocco. He was obviously talking about the presence of the Orientalid/Arabian type. Instead of wasting my precious time correcting him on the use of the word "Semite" that has been debated time and again here, I decided to speak to him on his own level. So, if you want to exercise your knowledge on this subject, you should correct him and spare me of having to justify my posts. But don't argue for the sake of arguing. I of all people would know every implication of Semite.

And regardless of the aforementioned Abyssinians, Semite has the same type of dual linguistic-racial connotation as Indo-European. In reality, they are both linguistic, but when talking people-groups, Semitic-speaking Negroids are never grouped as Semites, only the Semitic-speaking West Asian Caucasoid types are. Not saying that's the correct interpretation or even that it's fair or makes sense, but that's the way it is. When most people think of a Semite, they think of a Bedouin with a rag on his head, not an Amhara.

So in conclusion, replace "Semite" with Orientalid in all the previous posts in this thread and voila, no mas problemas por Señor Charlie.

[mhagneto]

I'm curious as to how the trans-Saharan slave trade affected the composition of the North African population. It must have had some effect, since millions of SS Africans have been transported North over at least the last one thousand years. I've read that in Morocco, at least, descendants of slaves from the south now make up a significant part of the population. What about the rest of North Africa, i. e. Libya, Algeria, Egypt, et al?

[Berter]

Criollo said:

Mooroco is a non-white nation I thought it was about time that some one started posting the true phenotype of north Africa.

Here is a good thread for you, its written by three Imazighen, members of the PANF (Amazigh, Med and me----your black best). We imazighen are the real/old north africans. Good read!
www.panf.info/upload/showthread.php?t=418&page=1&pp=10
Btw, In recent times, I became less and less interested in this forum thats why I didnt answer you in due time! Hope my answer isnt late!

[Criollo]

Berter said:

Here is a good thread for you, its written by three Imazighen, members of the PANF (Amazigh, Med and me----your black best). We imazighen are the real/old north africans. Good read!
www.panf.info/upload/showthread.php?t=418&page=1&pp=10
Btw, In recent times, I became less and less interested in this forum thats why I didnt answer you in due time! Hope my answer isnt late!

Berter with all do respect what this thread is about is not to say that their are no white north Africans at all their are some since im not a racialist I do not consider north Africans my people even if they are white. The pictures that are shown on that thread are clearly handpicked images of Moorocans with Berber and or French ancestry.If by real you mean aboriginal population then those are "real" Moorocans.

[Berter]

First thing, we did war to your WHITE FRENCH from 1906 to 1934; If white skin was really something extra-oridinary for our eyes, our women would have given their asses to the french, ...which they simply did not. That argument isnt even true in the case of Lebanon. So quit it!

Second thing, I made thousand threads that represent well my people, the berbers, or...the imazighen. But its seems that your are unable to accept the idea that some european physical attributes are also common among berbers. Here is an ordinary berber shepherd girl, straight from the atlass mountains...not mixed with any foreigner blood (arab, negroe or else). Notice that she isnt euro-looking at all. I think this should close the debate.
www.afterimagegallery.com/PennShepherdess.jpg