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Post by Melnorme on Apr 15, 2005 15:35:51 GMT -5
The notion of Jews as all-powerful manipulators of the public debate is strange, considering that they haven't even been able to prevent the innocuous word 'Zionist' from being turned into a common slur. BTW, 'SemiticWarrior', do I know you?
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Post by Springa on Apr 15, 2005 15:38:37 GMT -5
Well, I don't completely disagree, but I think a distinction should be made between Jewish Supremacism/Israeli expansionism and Zionism per se. Zionism is the idea that jews should have their own country, period. Some Zionists just believe Israel should exist, but don't believe in conquering other countries, oppressing palestineans or anything of the sort. Just like, for instance black power may just imply Black self empowerment/improvement or it may mean black supremacism/separatism. Although I'm not the biggest faz of Zionism for a number of reasons (first of all because I'm not a big fan of nationalism in general), I do not equal it with supremacism, just like I don't equal American patriotism with being a member of the KKK. Whenever I speak of bad Jews, I call them Zionists or Jewish Supremacists, because that's what they are.
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Post by Yankel on Apr 15, 2005 19:37:48 GMT -5
Mike, a few questions: Why not just 'bad people'? Most Jews are Zionists, so why even make the distinction? Zionism is the national Jewish liberation movement. It's the belief that Jews are a nation and deserve a state. Is that 'bad'?
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Post by Criollo on Apr 15, 2005 20:02:00 GMT -5
Mike, a few questions: Why not just 'bad people'? Most Jews are Zionists, so why even make the distinction? Zionism is the national Jewish liberation movement. It's the belief that Jews are a nation and deserve a state. Is that 'bad'? Yes because of its consequences on human beings.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 15, 2005 20:35:56 GMT -5
It's the belief that Jews are a nation and deserve a state. Is that 'bad'? I don't like the idea of separating the Jews and Palestinians into their own nations. Both of these people need to learn to get along and integrate or else the Israelis would be complete hypocrites. If they don't want any Palestinians in Israel, I have just as much right to say I don't want any Jews in Florida. You can't have your cake and eat it, too, is what I'm getting at.
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Post by EternalSemitic on Apr 16, 2005 12:23:50 GMT -5
yeah i agree but as long as ethiopian "jews" will stay out of the range of being jewish.genetic researches've shown they're not genetically jews.hell i cant understand why anyone allows himself to think god willl throw his people to africa and turn them into useless african chimps.i've also heard that some organization called "Amishav" is trying to expose the jewish roots of indians calling themselves Sons of Menasheh or something like this.as it comes to the future of my country i'm realy bothered by all the hurly burly made around them esp when all kinds of third world apes suddenly discover their jewish background. every now and then you are announced by the press that another group of our "lost brethren" has been found out somewhere in Uganda,Ethiopian or in any other equally apish country.
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Post by EternalSemitic on Apr 16, 2005 12:26:24 GMT -5
speak for yourself i prefer them and the israeli arabs out of my country
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Post by murphee on Apr 16, 2005 12:32:07 GMT -5
The way I see it: either practice the religion or don't. I was raised in Reform Judaism and it was watered-down nonsense. Most of the Reform Jews I knew ate pork and didn't believe in God. I was unable to derive a sense of authentic spirituality from being in this sect and promptly left as soon as I was able to escape from family restraints. I agree that most Jews such as Ron Jeremy do not practice the religion. They are secular Jews. However, recently in the news, a Jew by the name of Jack Aronoff has frequently appeared. He is involved in many Jewish religious organizations and has ripped off Indian Tribes $62,000,000 while laughing at them. He is a Congressional lobbyist and friend of DeLay. I also hate the constant pornographic references in TV and other media. It is a sign of cultural degeneracy IMO.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 16, 2005 12:41:35 GMT -5
speak for yourself i prefer them and the israeli arabs out of my country Oh, that's right, I forgot that it's racist and anti-Semitic for Americans to not want Jews in their country but it's absolutely 100% all right handy-dandy if Israelis don't want Palestinian Arabs (who were there before the modern nation of Israel even existed) in their country. That's a double standard. You and your people are subject to the same rules of common sense and fairness that govern the rest of us. Israel is nothing special.
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Post by EternalSemitic on Apr 16, 2005 12:45:21 GMT -5
I dont know how lowlife are you if you believe that hamite's excuses.he's always saying this because he want to intrigue between americans and jews.pure and simple.he want the americans to stop supporting and backing up israel and do you think he could've found a better way than that?the way of convincing wimpy americans?he knows americans're cowards and uses it to bash israel.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 16, 2005 13:10:22 GMT -5
Israel actually treats its arab population rather descently, at least compared to the way countries like Yemen, Syria, Egypt, and Iraq have treated the Jews living in their countries. And Saudi Arabia...I am not even sure if any jews live there period.
Thats the way it looks to me. Correct me if you think I am wrong, and we will debate that.
I don't approve of everything Israel has done, but overall the state is definately the best to live in, even if you are arabic when compared to the other nations.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 16, 2005 13:19:16 GMT -5
There are many kinds of "Zionists" too.
Some are religious zionists, and they have existed for thousands of years. Just look at Yemenite Jews and even Iraqis. Zionism existed among them long before it ever materialized into a political movement in eastern europe.
And fanatical jewish supremacist zionists come from various backgrounds. The idea that they only come from europe is a myth, and I am not sure why people continue to believe it. Yigal Amir wasn't from europe.
Some zionists are fanatical and hate arabs (not me, I love arabs). Others are zionists simply because they want their own state, but want to get along with other people regardless of religion or ethnicity.
Some zionists are religious, others are secular. The founding zionists of Israel were mostly secular and from europe. They make up the Labor party of today.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 16, 2005 13:46:24 GMT -5
Indeed, Zionist is a word with many possible connotations, both positive and negative, so I suppose Jewish Supremacist or Judeosupremacist if you like one-word terms is better when you want to talk about the bad or the racist Jews who could care less for anyone else besides their own people.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 16, 2005 13:52:51 GMT -5
Oh, that's right, I forgot that it's racist and anti-Semitic for Americans to not want Jews in their country but it's absolutely 100% all right handy-dandy if Israelis don't want Palestinian Arabs (who were there before the modern nation of Israel even existed) in their country. That's a double standard. You and your people are subject to the same rules of common sense and fairness that govern the rest of us. Israel is nothing special. You da man, Mike.
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Post by Yankel on Apr 16, 2005 14:48:37 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of separating the Jews and Palestinians into their own nations. Both of these people need to learn to get along and integrate or else the Israelis would be complete hypocrites. Arabs comprise about 1/5 of the Israeli population; that's over 1 million Arabs. Israeli-Arabs have evey right that Israeli-Jews have. They hold high positions in the government and military. They do live together. A one-state solution simply won't work. Firstly, it defeats the purpose of having a Jewish state. The Palestinians would quickly become the majority and Israel would become another Arab nation, just like the 20-something countries around it. Secondly, neither Palestinians nor Jews accept a one-state solution, those who do are considered extremely left-wing. They're a fringe minority. That's a flawed analogy. America is a multicultural nation. Israel is the Jewish homeland. Moreover, there are over a million Arab citizens in Israel.
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