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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 8, 2005 4:22:25 GMT -5
I do separate NE Africa from the rest of the continent just as I do with Egypt and North Africa. And I do separate Arabia proper from the Levantine and the old Mesopotamia area ethnically, historically and in some cases racially. Saleeban, I accept what you say about the Jareer, and it is my opinion that all the negroids in your part of Africa are immigrants. It is not me you have to convince, it is people like Topdog with their all dark skinned Africans are negroids religion. Only someone with such tunnel vision could mistake Tutsis, Hutus and those pygmies and claim they look the way they do because of geographical or climatic differences when they come from the SAME place.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 8, 2005 14:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by alexandrian on Apr 8, 2005 17:50:01 GMT -5
If you think the girls above look like typical Middle Easterners, you're kidding yourself, Alex. They are far too prognathous. They don't look like average Aethiopids, either, true, who are generally much more negroid, but they strike me as very reminiscent of an intermediate type that leans toward Caucasoid. Think on it as you will, I'm just speaking my mind. I disagree. A lot of the pictures you posted are of women with like pinkish skin, that isn't an Ethiopian trait. Furthermore, I don't see anything that suggests negroid presence. They have straight noses, especially in that picture where they seem to be playing instruments. Thin lips too, that don't seem to look negroid. The hair is wavy but that's found all over the southern Middle East. The girls playing instruments here strike me as particularly non-Aethopid here too, they even have straight (or straightish) hair! The girl in the Egyptian wig and costume does not look Aethiopid. The women above look like the Palestinian-Jordanian woman portrayed here-
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 8, 2005 22:01:30 GMT -5
Nilotes are not Bantu negroids. They are West African negroids, a Sudanid type. modified by living in an arid zone and having a mobile lifestyle, who migrated to their present homelands via the saharan zone when it still had savannah vegetation. They were pastoralists. It is likely that they came in contact with Berber type people in their migration from west to east. What can be seen is that they vary a great deal from Sudanids in their stature, blackness of skin, slight childlike facial features and less overt broad nose shape. The ones you have illustrated are obviously mixed with other negroids reducing the high bridge. The gal with those eyes looks very attractive. The Tutsi are Nilotids and quite different from Bantu negroids and the pygmy negroids. Of course your illustration contains pure looking types. All three have interbreed to some degree. You cannot deny the presence of Bantu negroids in NE Africa whether like the Hutu as long term immigrants or like the Jareer as the descendents of slaves.
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Post by KLI on Apr 9, 2005 0:34:32 GMT -5
I disagree. A lot of the pictures you posted are of women with like pinkish skin, that isn't an Ethiopian trait. Furthermore, I don't see anything that suggests negroid presence. They have straight noses, especially in that picture where they seem to be playing instruments. Thin lips too, that don't seem to look negroid. The hair is wavy but that's found all over the southern Middle East. The girls playing instruments here strike me as particularly non-Aethopid here too, they even have straight (or straightish) hair! The girl in the Egyptian wig and costume does not look Aethiopid. The women above look like the Palestinian-Jordanian woman portrayed here- Oh My God! LOL! <--- Pay attention to this Somali woman's hair style Alexandrian, are you serious? hahaha
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Post by KLI on Apr 9, 2005 0:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by topdog on Apr 9, 2005 0:56:28 GMT -5
Nilotes are not Bantu negroids. They are West African negroids, a Sudanid type. modified by living in an arid zone and having a mobile lifestyle, who migrated to their present homelands via the saharan zone when it still had savannah vegetation. Incorrect. While it is true that Tutsis aren't of the central African broad type they certainly do share 80% of their paternal ancestry with them and West Africans[E3a-M2]. The anaomally with the Tutsis is that they neither closely resemble West Africans nor central Africans in phenotype , but are more closely related to East Africa groups like Masai. They have an extremely tall stature that isn't found in West nor central Africans, but is found in Nilotes and east Africa groups. They do not resemble Sudanids. Tutsis do not have Berber mixture and your suggestion that they have reflects your lack of knowledge about Tutsis and is totally far-fetched. One minute you're saying that Tutsis are 'Sudanids' modified by an arid zone, now you're saying they possibly came into contact with Berbers? Later on I see you said they're also Nilotids[insert rolling eyes here]. You truly don't know what you're talking about. As I've pointed out, Tutsis share 80% of their paternal ancestry with west and central Africans but are still distinctive as a physical type from both central and west Africans. They don't have child-like facial features, lol! There aren't any Bantu genes in NE Africa or should I say the presence of E3a in NE has nothing to do with 'Bantus' migrations. E3a-M2 is found at a frequency of 80% in Senegalese, yet Sehegalese are culturally and linguistically distinct from Bantu speaking people, inlcuding physically different from them too. Somalis have 5% E3a-m2 which makes it highly unlikely that there was widespread interbreeding between Bantus and NE Africans. The line demarcating speakers Bantu expansions in East Africa is north central Kenya.
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Post by alexandrian on Apr 9, 2005 1:09:22 GMT -5
Oh My God! LOL! <--- Pay attention to this Somali woman's hair style Alexandrian, are you serious? hahaha Neither of those two women look remotely like the ancient Egyptians, or the modern egyptians for that matter. Especially the second one! All that she has is the hairstyle, but her face is so flat! I'm sorry but that second Somali woman does not look remotely Ancient Egyptian. The two girls you had the pic of in the van, I guess I could see the resemblance, but their features seem a little off, at least the lighter-skinned one seems to have different features. Don't tell me you don't see the resemblance between the Palestinian woman on the cover of the back and the ANcient Egyptian women I showed. Also, I don't get that whole suntanned concept. Of course the Egyptians were suntanned, especially the men, and probably heavily so, but what does that have to do with anything? It only would show that they were probably naturally lighter than they ended up being, simply by being out in the hot sun all day. Most Egyptian babies don't look that dark, at least not the ones I've seen, though, admittedly, I haven't seen many.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 9, 2005 1:48:40 GMT -5
To hell with the ancient Egyptians! Damn, this woman is good looking.
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Post by KLI on Apr 9, 2005 3:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by topdog on Apr 9, 2005 4:26:52 GMT -5
LOL Anunnaki sure likes her East African women Anyways, back to the original topic...I notice that out of all West Africans, Ghanians look most similar to African Americans. Its probably because most AAs are closely related to the ethnic groups found in Ghana today. Is it me, or would these Ghanian women not look out of place in Brooklyn, Atlanta, Philadelphia, etc? They look very African American AAs can resemble a number of African populations
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 9, 2005 6:24:30 GMT -5
Black Americans are mixed race people and their connection to Africa, African negroids and African cultures is tenuous. The one drop rule insanity. I think Africans of all races and tones are wonderful, intelligent and hospitable. Black Americans on the other hand are mostly all negative. Unattractive usually, loud mouthed, uncouth, rebellious, obstructionist and not worth friendship.
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Post by topdog on Apr 9, 2005 6:30:52 GMT -5
Black Americans are mixed race people and their connection to Africa, African negroids and African cultures is tenuous. The one drop rule insanity. I think Africans of all races and tones are wonderful, intelligent and hospitable. Black Americans on the other hand are mostly all negative. Unattractive usually, loud mouthed, uncouth, rebellious, obstructionist and not worth friendship. This is flaming and baiting, stick to yourself
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 9, 2005 6:35:23 GMT -5
It is my honest opinion which is partly what this thread called for. Black Americans are extraneous to this thread. It is about black Africans Lol, not citizens of the USA.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 9, 2005 10:03:38 GMT -5
LOL Anunnaki sure likes her East African women I would sooooo much want to see that beautiful woman without a nose ring, with a tiny bit of makeup on (preferably something that glimmers like gold on her dark skin) and with the hair pulled back. I have no doubt in my mind that she would be radiant.
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