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Post by racer1 on Apr 6, 2005 3:57:55 GMT -5
i frankly dont care what you say first of all and second of all if you understood english you would know that i didnt say that.... i said i would consider myself FIRST EGYPTIAN and then american.... so dont waste my time..!!! Relax, dude. No one is bashing your heritage. I know more about middle eastern culture and history than you think. I’m interested in learning about muslim history and warfare during the Crusades and the Ottoman and Almohad Empires. I agree that learning your own language is important but learn it at home or in your private schools or ethnic community’s center. You can celebrate your ethnic heritage and culture. I see all the time here in Chicago, Cinco de Mayo, Pulaski Day, Oktoberfest, St. Patrick’s Day, Tet New Year, etc. This country is made of immigrants. The only real Americans are the Native American Indians. Here in the US, you can worship any religion you want so long as you don’t have human sacrifices, back a politician, or make a profit from your religion. I’ve seen Muslim women wear scarves all the way to full gowns like in Iran. However, where does your loyalties lay? That’s what I’m trying to say. Your family’s new homeland that took care of you or your ancestral homeland that your family left decades ago. I had an elderly Pakistani friend who’s way more muslim than probably anyone here. He used to work as an Airline Manager in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. He visited Mecca every Sunday when he lived there. Yet he told me that he considers himself American since he and his family has lived here for over 20 years. Another elderly friend of mine is married to this woman whose 2nd generation Irish American. They visited Ireland on vacation and went to this shop. She told the shopkeeper that she too was Irish but the shopkeeper told her, “No you’re not.You’re an American of Irish descent.”
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Post by nordicyouth on Apr 6, 2005 4:05:24 GMT -5
Right...
Now that we've determined you can spell long and hyphenated words, let's try to combine them in some form that makes the slightest sense.
I can appreciate the sarcasm, but perhaps you should use 'socio-economic status' instead of class, it appears so much more enlightened.
Your references to the relations of race and class lack originality or flair, as does your pseudo-Marxian quote.
Nor does your post have anything to do with the traditional prevalence of organized crime amongst the Sicilians and their descendants.
Please refrain from using the 'poverty' argument, as here in Canada, the main cause for criminality amongst Indo-Canadian males (as identified by the Federal government on the front page of a national newspaper - 'The Globe and Mail') is excess wealth and lack of parental control. Yet no one claims responsibility and says: 'the buck stops here.'
This is not an indictment of Italy, in fact I'm impressed by the alternative socio-economic forms in the central and northern regions i.e. the co-ops.
This is a reminder that Sicilian-Americans are certainly not superior to any other European immigrant group in terms of their positive contribution to North American society. Naturally, this is a broad and exlusive generalization, but while it is 'good' to counter fallacious Nordicism and Afrocentrism, 'Medicism,' is not a viable answer and lends itself to the same vulnerabilities.
I can go on all day about how Central Europe is superior, or Eastern, Western, Northeastern, Northwestern, etc. I could even champion the Southern European (Med.) cause. But polluting an ideally unbiased forum with Medicist leaning simply due to Skadi.net, will begin a vicious cycle with the uninitiated, leading to more 'isms.' And if that is the purpose of this forum, then it and its creators are acting out of insecurity the moment Dodona or Dienekes' Anthropological Page or Racial Reality goes beyond the objective...and into the emotional.
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Post by nockwasright on Apr 6, 2005 4:13:29 GMT -5
Strangely enough, one never heard about Polish, Ukrainian ... mafias. Actually all the Slav speaking world is notorioulsy plagued by organised crime.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 6, 2005 7:35:25 GMT -5
Yeah, in Sweden, organized crime is mainly Russian, Baltic, (former) Yugoslavian or Albanian. ;D
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Post by santana on Apr 6, 2005 10:16:19 GMT -5
No racer i do not believe you understand.. the guy i was answering to was telling me to get out of Canada basically because i consider myself Egyptian first and not Canadian.. noone bashed my heritage.
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Post by KLI on Apr 6, 2005 19:14:21 GMT -5
No one should tell you what your identity is. Identify with whatever the hell you want to, as an immigrant or foreigner you do not owe anybody anything. Keep yourselves civil, obey your new country's laws and pay your taxes, thats all you need fellas. Why is there an onus on immigrants to assimilate? What if they dont want to, what if they want to keep to themselves I dont see anything wrong with minding your own business...also what the heck is assimilation exactly? Does it mean inviting whitie over for dinner, or interracial dating or rooting for the Yankees??? And all this time I thought most anti immigrants (the racist ones really) were against race mixing, so it seems like your damned if you do, damned if you dont.
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Post by Dodona Underground on Apr 8, 2005 14:46:01 GMT -5
No one should tell you what your identity is. Identify with whatever the hell you want to, as an immigrant or foreigner you do not owe anybody anything. Keep yourselves civil, obey your new country's laws and pay your taxes, thats all you need fellas. Why is there an onus on immigrants to assimilate? What if they dont want to, what if they want to keep to themselves I dont see anything wrong with minding your own business...also what the heck is assimilation exactly? Does it mean inviting whitie over for dinner, or interracial dating or rooting for the Yankees??? And all this time I thought most anti immigrants (the racist ones really) were against race mixing, so it seems like your damned if you do, damned if you dont. I've read (here, for example) that man is a social/political animal and, therefore, can't find happiness in isolation. This was said about the individual within society but it also applies somewhat to small societies within large societies. In my ethics there's nothing wrong with an immigrant deciding to remain a resident alien instead of becoming one with the natives as long as he is self-reliant, peaceful and respects the laws and customs of the natives. But how practical is that? People want to have their cake and eat it too (especially in our current age of permissiveness). Don't resident aliens sooner or later become dissatisfied with feeling "left-out?" Don't they complain when natives who naturally prefer to pal-around with each other, conduct mutually advantageous business and political deals among themselves? Don't many resident aliens sooner or later express their dissatisfaction by becoming extremists and sometimes by engaging in violent activism and even subversion?
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