Samhain
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Post by Samhain on Mar 28, 2005 14:13:33 GMT -5
I agree with that statement, but the same thing in regards to southern Europeans[and so-called Mediterraneans] can be applied. Northern Europeans and Afrocentrists get demonised as some kind of culture vultures but chest pounding about a 'superior race' of Mediterraneans certainly does nothing to help the case of the majority of people here on dodona. I frankly find all of the regional and racial 'cultural relativism' or who's better than who to be quite childish and tiring. "Culturen vulture" is copy-righted by myself, as you are already aware ( see RM forum). I've warned you before to stop stealing my words!
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Post by topdog on Mar 28, 2005 14:21:00 GMT -5
"Culturen vulture" is copy-righted by myself, as you are already aware ( see RM forum). I've warned you before to stop stealing my words! I stole nothing and you haven't warned me of anything. Yes I have posted on racial myths before albeit at a limited capacity, as Charlie Bass. Go back to the RM forum and point out when and where you warned me of anything.
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Post by Human on Mar 28, 2005 14:39:07 GMT -5
Actually, one may commend your ability to glorify other civilisations, especially those you have obviously no connection to (black altruism), but if what you say is true, then is suggests that those same populations have either regressed, or have become stuck for the last several thousand years whilst Europeans have gone on in strides. No civilisation can complete with that of the Greco-Roman foundations, purely because western society emulates it even now. Our civilisation, which began with Greco-Romans is still on-going. Other civilisations have since died out, we're still living it today and that's what so amazing about it. All European groups have had something to contribute because they accept the teachings of Greco-Romans. Also, all this amazing technology that western society has benefitted from in the past 700 years or so didn't just spotaneously spring up, it's creation goes back every generations and links to some European figurehead behind it. Somewhere in the Highlands of Scotland: IT IS FUNNY HOW YOU CLAIM ROMAN GREEK HERITAGE AND AT THE SAME TIME SAYS THE FOLLOWING: Re: Guess Charlize Theron « Reply #40 on: Mar 26th, 2005, 3:47pm » <br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- on Mar 26th, 2005, 2:49pm, CrimsonGuard wrote:<<BTW - Mediterraneans are not to be found as far north as the British Isles>> You have no idea what your talking about.... The British isles have more incommon with Southern Europeans than they do with Northern Europeans,thats a fact.The Mediterrean Race is very much a part of the British isles. No I wasnt speculating before,like i previously stated it can be a homegrown Mediterrean breed,which by from what i can tell looking back at it again,is for the most part. Here's a wonderful site: www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/briton.html Forgive me, I detest smilies, but your comments require one right now.... Sure, I don't know what I am talking about considering that I am in actual fact Scottish and I can tell you that Britons have very little in common with Mediterraneans. Sure there are overlaps, particularly as Scotland has a Catholic minority, to which I also belong, but we don't connect in many ways with southern Europeans. Physically we probably blend into Scandinavians, French, German, Belgian, Dutch, who will have darker types as well. Culturally we tend to have our own unique traditions. As for the so called "wonderful site" I've been there and worn the t-shirt. Indeed, the webmaster nicked most of the material on Britons, particularly the individuals used, from myself. The website's down now anyway, you've given a defunct link. « Last Edit: Mar 26th, 2005, 3:50pm by Trog » <br>
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Post by Samhain on Mar 28, 2005 15:05:47 GMT -5
IT IS FUNNY HOW YOU CLAIM ROMAN GREEK HERITAGE AND AT THE SAME TIME SAYS THE FOLLOWING: Re: Guess Charlize Theron « Reply #40 on: Mar 26th, 2005, 3:47pm » <br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- on Mar 26th, 2005, 2:49pm, CrimsonGuard wrote:<<BTW - Mediterraneans are not to be found as far north as the British Isles>> You have no idea what your talking about.... The British isles have more incommon with Southern Europeans than they do with Northern Europeans,thats a fact.The Mediterrean Race is very much a part of the British isles. No I wasnt speculating before,like i previously stated it can be a homegrown Mediterrean breed,which by from what i can tell looking back at it again,is for the most part. Here's a wonderful site: www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/briton.html Forgive me, I detest smilies, but your comments require one right now.... Sure, I don't know what I am talking about considering that I am in actual fact Scottish and I can tell you that Britons have very little in common with Mediterraneans. Sure there are overlaps, particularly as Scotland has a Catholic minority, to which I also belong, but we don't connect in many ways with southern Europeans. Physically we probably blend into Scandinavians, French, German, Belgian, Dutch, who will have darker types as well. Culturally we tend to have our own unique traditions. As for the so called "wonderful site" I've been there and worn the t-shirt. Indeed, the webmaster nicked most of the material on Britons, particularly the individuals used, from myself. The website's down now anyway, you've given a defunct link. « Last Edit: Mar 26th, 2005, 3:50pm by Trog » <br> I don't claim "Roman-Greek" heritage, I acknowledge their (historical) contributions, but at the same time, when one is discussing physical contributions, then that is much, much less of an input.
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Post by Human on Mar 28, 2005 15:14:43 GMT -5
This ole facade of people pretending they're whites ashamed of their heritage and history is often used on internet forums, you're not very original and certainly have zero European heritage. Now perhaps some brain fodder for you: Greco-Roman foundations were lost all over Europe during the dark ages. The Moors (Turks, Syrians that is) are credited with maintaining some form of education in Iberia, the Irish Scholastic monks are credited with northern Europe, central Europe and northern Italy, the area where the later Renaissance would emerge from. The Irish monks were already setting up centres of learning even before the first Moor crossed over to Iberia. As in most areas of life, most people have a good opportunity to be exposed to some form of knowledge and learning, but it's what you do with it that counts. Greek (mental concept) and Roman (physical concept)contributions lay the foundations, everywhere else in Europe built them up to create the modern society we have today. The greatest mathematicians, Scientists of the last 1000 years have came from Europe, the latin script forms the basis of most alphabets, Greeks are credited with Maths more than anyone else and John Napier is credited with the decimal point. Every single worthwhile contribution in life can be linked to a European. India is a cesspool, Chinese people eat domesticated pets and aborted babies, as well as kill their offspring, most Indonesians live simple, humble lives and none have the civilisation that exists in western, capitalist society (which explains why they risk their lives to enter W Europe). Why have these people not advanced? They live in small communities, they fish, they raise children, they build their own homes - this you consider civilisation? Any country that adopts a capitalist society is adopting Greco-Roman-European legacy. When the Tsunami hit Asia what was the European response? When famine and hits strike Africa, who do they turn to? You're an ungrateful little parasite living off the legacy of European ancestors right now! you dont really know what you are talking about. you seem to be incapable of seeing things other than with 'Northern European eyes'. can you, as a Scottish (or British), claim someone as profound (morally speaking), as impacting, as, say, Sidarta Gautama as far back as around 6 centuries before Christ? the Hindu people can! at that time, you were playing with stones! dont come with the small population thing. Jews are a small population, and theyve had a quite large number of 'moral leaders': Moses, Jesus, etc. so do the Greeks, also a rather small population: Socrates, Plato, etc.
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Post by Samhain on Mar 28, 2005 15:39:32 GMT -5
you dont really know what you are talking about. you seem to be incapable of seeing things other than with 'Northern European eyes'. can you, as a Scottish (or British), claim someone as profound (morally speaking), as impacting, as, say, Sidarta Gautama as far back as around 6 centuries before Christ? the Hindu people can! at that time, you were playing with stones! dont come with the small population thing. Jews are a small population, and theyve had a quite large number of 'moral leaders': Moses, Jesus, etc. so do the Greeks, also a rather small population: Socrates, Plato, etc. I don't see through "northern European" eyes, I see through Scottish (sometimes British eyes). Yes these small populations achieved great things, and as a small population so have Scots- ah but don't just take it from me... Horace Walpole(English) said of the Scots: 'the most accomplished nation of Europe; the nation to which, if any country is endowed with a superior partition of sense, I should be inclined to give preference.' Sydney Smith(English) spent six years in Edinburgh at the end of the 18th century:'they are perhaps in some points of view the most remarkable nation in the world, and no country can afford an example of so much order, morality, economy and knowledge, even amongst its lower classes of society.' H.T. Buckle, the Victorian sage who intended to write a History of Civilisation, but did not proceed much beyond eighteenth century Scotland:'That so poor and thinly-peopled a country such as Scotland, should in so short a period, have produced the most remarkable men, is extremely curious.' Harold Thompson(American) said 'that to discover comparable achievements by so small a nation we should have to go back to the days of Pericles.' Harold Orel's(American)opinion: 'No nation its size has contributed as much to world culture.' The American/Canadian economist, J.K Galbraith said, 'the only serious rival to Scots were the Jews.' Voltaire, the great 18 century writer from France, and considered by some to have been one of Europe's finest said: ' We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilisation.' English historian, J. A. Froude; 'No people so few in number have scored so deep a mark in the world's history as the Scots have done.' Sir Francis Galton, English cousin of Darwin, as written in his Hereditary Genius: ' the Scots produced more outstanding minds in proportion to their numbers than any other group.' Woodrow Wilson, US president: ' Every line of strength in our history is a line coloured by Scots blood.' America physician Benjamin Rush called Edinburgh 'the most rational and perhaps enlightened city of the world'. Benjamin Disraeli, Jewish PM of Britain: 'It has been my lot to have found myself in many distant lands. I have never been in one without finding a Scotsman, and I have never found a Scotsman who was not head of the poll.' Churchill during WWII noted:'there is only one thing wrong with Scotsmen, there are too few of them.' and... 'Of all the small nations of this earth, perhaps only the ancient Greeks surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind. ' However, since you consider 'moral leaders' to be important..... Situated on a wide part of the valley of the Trebbia, Bobbio holds the tomb of Columbanus in the Basilica of San Columbano. It is situated in a crypt beneath the basilica, a white marble sarcophagus, with scenes from his life carved on three sides. Beside it is a modern altar, and across from that, a stained glass window from 1910, depicting Columbanus, Patrick and Benedict. Beyond the basilica, the two grottoes to which Columbanus used to retire for silent prayer are still pointed out by locals on the mountainside. The cult of Columbanus is confined to the north of Italy, where forty parishes are dedicated to him, as well as chapels and alters in other institutions. He left an indelible mark on the parts of the world his spirit touched. Austria When celebrating its 2000th birthday in 1985, Bregenz, on the southeast corner of Lake Constance in Austria, St Columban's Church was chosen for the related religious ceremonies. For the feast day of St Columbanus that year, a large rock was brought from Bangor for the occasion, bearing the inscription, in German: "A rock from the sea-coast at Bangor, Ireland. From there came the Irish preacher, St Columban, as a missionary to the ruined Roman settlement of Brigantium where he preached the Christian faith, with God's strength, to our forefathers, about 610 to 612, before he proceeded to Bobbio in Italy." The twinning of Bregenz and Bangor further marked the millennium celebrations.
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Post by Springa on Mar 28, 2005 15:45:47 GMT -5
New, from the author of "How does an Ethiopian get to be both 1/4 Finnish and especially 1/4 Scottish? Sorry, I don't see it.": Right now they are. Northern Europeans have a lifestyle far superior than most, if not all, south of the Equator. Coming soon, at a topic near you! Ok, now seriously: so what? Who's disputing that Northern Europe is richer and thus more civilized than the southern hemisphere?
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Post by Igu on Mar 28, 2005 15:55:44 GMT -5
as far as i know, even before indo european invasion, India had great civilizations (Mohenjo Daro or something is an example which comes to my mind) -Before the indo european invasion, it was prehistoric times and therefore no civilization. -the Indo-europeans who invaded india were close-looking to levantines (arabs, Hebrews, kurds...etc.)
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Post by Springa on Mar 28, 2005 16:00:05 GMT -5
Not true. -Before the indo european invasion, it was prehistoric times and therefore no civilization.
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Post by Human on Mar 28, 2005 16:03:44 GMT -5
-Before the indo european invasion, it was prehistoric times and therefore no civilization. -the Indo-europeans who invaded india were close-looking to levantines (arabs, Hebrews, kurds...etc.) not true. one could even argue that indo european invasion brought destruction to the flourishing Indus Valley Civilization as, e.g, Mohenjo Daro. these pre indo european people invasion civilizations had already their own writing systems, sophisticated religious beliefs (which were to be later admixed to build up Hindu religious system), etc etc. actually, the indo european invaders were the lucky ones, from nomadic they turned to urbanized civilized people, in a way just as it did happen to Westgother, Lombards, etc, in Europe, after Roman downfall. Ramanujan was an astronomical Genius of a lower caste, from the South, with Tamil Dravidian roots!
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Post by Springa on Mar 28, 2005 16:05:16 GMT -5
To me this kind of thing deserves moderator action, at least some sort of advise. This was completely uncalled for, uneccessarily rude, completely missing the point. By the way, the whole message this quote comes from is confused (and confusing), lacking logic and not really replying to what Human said. Bad post... and hardly an example of northern European nobility. When the Tsunami hit Asia what was the European response? When famine and hits strike Africa, who do they turn to? You're an ungrateful little parasite living off the legacy of European ancestors right now!
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Post by Igu on Mar 28, 2005 16:47:05 GMT -5
not true. one could even argue that indo european invasion brought destruction to the flourishing Indus Valley Civilization as, e.g, Mohenjo Daro. these pre indo european people invasion civilizations had already their own writing systems, sophisticated religious beliefs (which were to be later admixed to build up Hindu religious system), etc etc. actually, the indo european invaders were the lucky ones, from nomadic they turned to urbanized civilized people, in a way just as it did happen to Westgother, Lombards, etc, in Europe, after Roman downfall. Ramanujan was an astronomical Genius of a lower caste, from the South, with Tamil Dravidian roots! -I thought that indo-european invasion happened 10 000 years ago, bu it's a recent event therefore you're right: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation
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Post by Samhain on Mar 28, 2005 17:02:18 GMT -5
To me this kind of thing deserves moderator action, at least some sort of advise. This was completely uncalled for, uneccessarily rude, completely missing the point. By the way, the whole message this quote comes from is confused (and confusing), lacking logic and not really replying to what Human said. Bad post... and hardly an example of northern European nobility. Human was accusing Europeans of being barbaric etc, the Tsunami displayed European generosity, and the famines of Ethiopia were alleviated in 1985 by millions upon millions of pounds due to the action of Irishman, Bob Geldolf and Scot, Midge Ure. And why was that post not addressing anything human said? Of course, Human name-dropping some insignificant Buddhist had really made a point? Aye?
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Post by Human on Mar 28, 2005 17:15:39 GMT -5
Human was accusing Europeans of being barbaric etc, the Tsunami displayed European generosity, and the famines of Ethiopia were alleviated in 1985 by millions upon millions of pounds due to the action of Irishman, Bob Geldolf and Scot, Midge Ure. And why was that post not addressing anything human said? Of course, Human name-dropping some insignificant Buddhist had really made a point? Aye? i didnt say europeans are barbaric, as if being barbaric is an intrinsic thing to them. i said northern europeans, if one goes back a bit further in the past, will be found, before Roman conquest, at a barbaric state of civilization: lack of writing, human sacrifices, lower religiosity, lower general level of civilization. thankfully Romans conquered some Northern Europeans and after transmitted some higher morality (Greek/Jewish) so that, fortunately, nowadays Europeans can feel compassion for other folks and place value on human life.
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Post by Human on Mar 28, 2005 17:20:38 GMT -5
naturally, compassion is a universal human value. compassion and human life as a precious thing are both values estressed by both cultures, ancient Greek and ancient Jewish. honour and freedom, as well as revenge, on the other hand, were highly praised amongst Germanic folks of old.
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