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Post by mike2 on Mar 23, 2005 20:57:15 GMT -5
I read his posts on the Neonazi websites and I kind of laughed when he mentioned he didn't even think about how the new Nationalist Amerindian territory would be divided up or how and if it would be divided by tribes or if it would just be a single Amerindian union. It just goes to show that these people who fall into these doomed nationalist traps are so full of hatred that they don't even think their ideologies through or how they would be applied. They do not see the consequences of their actions, they do not comprehend the details if indeed their mission was to succeed. They want only to succeed in their Sauronesque overthrow of the enemy. I can feel only pity for them.
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Post by Funky Kong on Mar 23, 2005 21:11:08 GMT -5
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Mar 24, 2005 23:26:52 GMT -5
Ok... here's my 2 cents on the kid. (Took down the post with the crack about posting his pic on 'Racial Classifications'.)
First off, let me puntificate that the proportion of importance that one places on racial identity is directly relational to ones family stability. ...Or in plain English, the more f'd up your family life is, the more likely you are to cling to some sense of racial identity and belonging.
Now this kid was on an Indian reservation. And don't think for a minute that race doesn't play out big on those reservations. Kids are indocrinated in at a very young age to believe and subscribe to a history of oppresion, and genocide. ...And the fact that this kid was part European may have been cause for teasing.
I don't know everything he said on those boards, and I'm admittedly, a little morbidly curious.
But as someone who comes to Dodona somewhat frequently, I'd like to believe that talking about race doesn't make ones concept of it worse, but puts it in a proper perspective as something that doesn't have to be a big deal, or a negative thing. ...Something that shouldn't be taken too seriously.
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Mar 25, 2005 0:07:50 GMT -5
...Read the posts.
It appears quite the opposite of what I suspected. The kid favored a Native American embracement of ethnic identity. He had disgust for how the "blood stock" of his tribe had been dilluted, and took pride in how Nazi's trained other countries to fight for their own ethnic identity, (India was the example he gave).
He stated how he detested Rap music, and the frequent fights on the Reservation.
...Not at all what I expected.
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Post by vela on Mar 25, 2005 1:20:55 GMT -5
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Post by mike2 on Mar 25, 2005 1:29:53 GMT -5
National Socialism is a philosophy that, unlike the beliefs of modern society which are founded in material technology and abstract moral ideas about what should be, is based in the realism of nature. Each tribe must separate itself genetically from all others in order to survive, as otherwise it is assimilated; further, National Socialism recognizes that the individual comes second to the collective, comprising both human society and the natural environment that supports it. As a result, National Socialists are willing to engage in eugenics, racial separation and removal of elements hostile to a healthy society. That sends chills down my spine it's so anti-God, so alien to the message of my lord and savior Jesus Christ. There is nothing unnatural about standing up for what should be, what is right, what is fair. Pride is deadly, I don't care if it's personal, familial, or racial. I am not an advocate of multiculturalism. I think that can be very damaging. But I see nothing wrong with multiracialism.
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Post by vela on Mar 25, 2005 1:39:53 GMT -5
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Post by murphee on Mar 25, 2005 4:00:41 GMT -5
![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) It will be interesting to see what his family life was like. Odd fact about me: I played against Kip Kinkel's mother in a tennis tournament about two years before the Thurston High School shootings. I live not far from Springfield, Oregon.
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Post by Josh on Mar 25, 2005 4:03:41 GMT -5
![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) It will be interesting to see what his family life was like. Odd fact about me: I played against Kip Kinkel's mother in a tennis tournament about two years before the Thurston High School shootings. I live not far from Springfield, Oregon. I have two cousins who live in Springfield.
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Post by murphee on Mar 25, 2005 4:05:25 GMT -5
Hopefully, they weren't at that school at that time.
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Post by murphee on Mar 25, 2005 4:06:18 GMT -5
I visit Eugene a lot, and that was where I played tennis, at her club.
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Post by Josh on Mar 25, 2005 4:09:56 GMT -5
Hopefully, they weren't at that school at that time. They wouldn't have been. The oldest of the two would have been 11 or 12 and the youngest would have been 2 or 3.
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Mar 25, 2005 12:52:41 GMT -5
TSG describes the film as "crudely animated". I couldn't disagree more. For a 16 year old kid, it is evidense of a keenly intelligent mind. ...His posts are well crafted, and clear in expressing his viewpoint. I'm tired of how when something like this happens, people are so quick to distance themselves from the tragedy. He was human, and he was intelligent, and he commited a violent act. He was a kid. And NO, by not distancing myself doesn't mean that I admire, celebrate, or even have an "I told you so" attitude about the tragedy. But advocate looking at it for what it is. I dont' know to what degree, race, or race based forums played in his pathology. Just like people who DON'T talk about race on message boards, I'm curious to know. The news media is clearly implicating these types of forums by citing them. ...But they conveniently don't discuss whether they think such an activity is "causal", or merely just "symptomatic". ...Yes, bored teen-agers go to these forums. Some of them lonely, some of them crazy, and many of them without parents or supervision, like the Red Lake kid. And they dabble in racial identity, a taboo topic that most of society thinks is a danger to even consider. ...But what they won't talk about is how by society NOT talking about race, and keeping it taboo, it remains an intensely interesting topic.
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Post by murphee on Mar 25, 2005 13:21:12 GMT -5
I read his postings also, and I agree with you that he expressed himself well in a much more intelligent manner than most his age, although I disagree with his views and think that he's a sick f*ck.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 25, 2005 15:45:58 GMT -5
Intelligent minds are subject to messiah complexes. This is exactly the type of thing that happened to Weise. He grew up in an environment where he was teased by peers who were less intelligent than him. In order to compensate for how horrible he felt, he endeavored to make himself a part of something. Unfortunately he was allured to racialism.
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