neo-danubians in Poland?

[Nuke]

I don't see any example of this racial type in poland of any real importance. Russia maybe but poland just dosent fit in with this subgrouping even know they supposedly have the highest proportion of this group in regards to their over all population. Any ideas about this? any possible ideas what poles are genetically? because in my opinion they resmble east baltics and Nordics alot more than russians or even white russians.



Neo-Danubians are very round-skulled, and their cephalic indices frequently exceed 85. The head form is globular, and the forehead is steep and not seldom protuberant. The face is square to oval in shape, and the combination of a round face and a plump cheek is common. There is often a slight flatness to the Neo-Danubian face.

The nose is moderately leptorrhine, straight to concave in profile, and often snub-tipped in a Ladogan fashion. The nasal skeleton is rather low, with a broad tip.

The upper lip is long and convex, and the cheek furrows are as a rule strong.

Median eyefolds are indicative of a low orbit a heavy deposit of fat in the upper lid. Another fatty deposit - on the malars - seems to be a secondary sex character, as it is most common among women. The malars are only moderately projecting, especially when compared to those of East Baltics and Ladogans.

Neo-Danubian pigmentation is more blond than brunet, and the pigment character is prevailingly light-mixed. The combination of ash-blond hair with gray-mixed eyes seems to be a specialization shared with East Baltics and partially blond Ladogans, but the most common combination is golden blond hair and blue eyes.

[mike2]

Isn't the Neo-Danubian a periphery composite type, basically just a Danubian Nordic brachycephalized by Ladogan admixture?

[Nuke]

Yes it is, but the populations of poland just don't match up with other so-called neo-danubian populations, like russia and the ukraine. Another nation that is supposedly mainly neo-danubian is hungary, I really dont see its influence in hiungary or poland.

[nordicyouth]

Western Slavs i.e. Poles, Czechs, East German Sorbs, are descended from Nordic and Uralic lineages. That region is the original homeland where the ethnogenesis of the Balto-Slavs occurred, before the Baltic subgroup migrated into Finno-Ugrian territory. The Russians should have more Finno-Ugrian in them then the Poles, but also far more Asiatic influence.

[Nuke]

so you say the russians more asiatic influence? Really its very difficult to predict the Russian slavic populations racially since the union of the soviets which had many non slavic russians like turkic-tartar and many others emigrate into european russia, it's difficult to say if there is much racial mixing within russia today or for the most part do the people stay within their own ethnic group? I hear different sides to this, some say that poland has asiatic influence from everthing from the huns, the mongol invasion and subequent collapse of the voivodships into waring states, and also mixing with the semi-asiatic "ladogans" as stated by coon. But some say that russia has far more admixture from the mongols, especially situated around the urals. Though in both populations I see some asiatic influence among a very small group, but neither in my opinion has the influence that coon suggests, especially poland.

[Anja]

i've read that a lot of the popularization of asiatic blood in russia occured in opposition to western european dominance in europe. Since Russia couldn't find glory in the rest of Europe orientalists sprung up, romanticizing Russia's "asiatic character" and a fascination with the steppes grew among many artists. There was a group of poets called the Scythians that liked to connect the Russians to the Scyths in their poems:
"You are millions, we are multitudes
And multitudes and multitudes
Come fight! Yes, we are Scythians,
Yes, Asiatics, a slant-eyed greedy tribe.

-"Scythian" poet Alexander Blok, "The Scythians" 1918

however, some of those artists were in fact descended from non-europeans, i.e. Kandinsky was descended in part from Tungus in Mongolia, Vereshchagin's grandmother was born unto a "Turkmen tribe", etc.

so there is a history of exaggeration of asian influence in Russia.