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Post by santana on Mar 13, 2005 1:55:22 GMT -5
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Post by captainusa1 on Mar 13, 2005 3:37:54 GMT -5
Abraham came from an area in what is now Iraq. David is described as ruddy in the Bible. Solomon is described as white. I bet that most of the ancient Hebrews probably looked like many of the modern Iraqis and Palestinians.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 13:19:45 GMT -5
I've looked into this subject of Black Hebrews and I just want to say it's a load of socially-motivated crap. Crap with a capital "C." That site twists the entire Table of Nations around to suit its ends. There is no proof that Khemet means "Land of the Blacks" nor that Ham means black. Ham means "hot, burning," not "black." Cush is the one that means "black," but that doesn't mean the Cushites were always a black people. I've studied the Table of Nations EXTENSIVELY, and I am going to tell you right now do not get caught up in people who misread the text and go nuts with it because they don't have a helluva clue what they are talking about.
The migrating Hebrews are not a mystery. They were descended of Arphaxad, a son of Shem, by way of Jacob. The indigenous tribes of Canaan with whom the Israelites mixed with did indeed lend their blood and Canaanite language to the Hebrews. What language the Israelites spoke before they assimilated into the Canaanite culture who is to say-- but they certainly were not black.
It's funny because applying the term "Hebrew" to the Israelites isn't really accurate at all. The Israelites weren't the only Hebrews. All nations descended of Eber, a son of Arphaxad, are Hebrews, since Eber is actually the source of the word "Hebrew."
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Post by Berter on Mar 13, 2005 13:27:17 GMT -5
I've looked into this subject of Black Hebrews and I just want to say it's a load of socially-motivated crap. Crap with a capital "C." The migrating Hebrews are not a mystery. They were descended of Arphaxad, a son of Shem, by way of Jacob. The indigenous tribes of Canaan with whom the Israelites mixed with did indeed lend their blood and Canaanite language to the Hebrews. What language the Israelites spoke before they assimilated into the Canaanite culture who is to say-- but they certainly were not black. It's funny because applying the term "Hebrew" to the Israelites isn't really accurate at all. The Israelites weren't the only Hebrews. All nations descended of Eber, a son of Arphaxad, are Hebrews, since Eber is actually the source of the word "Hebrew." I love it when you use biblic terminology/facts/legends to debate 'physical problems' ...
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 13:32:53 GMT -5
Interesting how people love to doubt something that is well-known to knowledgable people to be completely accurate. Legend or not, the Table of Nations OWNZ you, Berter. It is the oldest ethnographic document EVER. You shouldn't mock something that actually affirms your own beliefs about the Berbers being white, anyway.
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Post by Berter on Mar 13, 2005 13:38:13 GMT -5
Just curious Mike, a) Whats your age !? b) Are you Religious (good christian !?
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 13:39:36 GMT -5
Just curious Mike, a) Whats your age !? b) Are you Religious (good christian !? a.) I'm 18. b.) I'd like to think I am.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 14:00:42 GMT -5
If anything the TAble of Nations proves that Cushites were initially majority Caucosoid. Sons of Ham include Egyptians, Canaanites, Cushites, and Libyans. We know that three of the four above weren't black. Furthermore, out of Mizraim (Egypt) came Caphtor (Crete) and out of Caphtor, came the PHilistines. So if all Hamites were "black" then Cretans and Philistines were black too! In addition to Palestinians, Libyans, and Egyptians! Now you know how ridiculous that sounds. I do believe Hittites were sons of Ham as well. I believe Hamitic was probably a reference to people darker than Israel, or West of Hebrews.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 13, 2005 14:03:31 GMT -5
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 14:09:05 GMT -5
If anything the TAble of Nations proves that Cushites were initially majority Caucosoid. Sons of Ham include Egyptians, Canaanites, Cushites, and Libyans. We know that three of the four above weren't black. Furthermore, out of Mizraim (Egypt) came Caphtor (Crete) and out of Caphtor, came the PHilistines. So if all Hamites were "black" then Cretans and Philistines were black too! In addition to Palestinians, Libyans, and Egyptians! Now you know how ridiculous that sounds. I do believe Hittites were sons of Ham as well. I believe Hamitic was probably a reference to people darker than Israel, or West of Hebrews. Exactly. What's that sound I hear? Oh, it's someone hitting the nail on the head. You've got it down pat, Alexandrian. To say that all the sons of Ham were black is to say that lots of other nations were black that we know were white. The inclusion of the Philistines as sons of Caphtor may be more geographic than anything (unless they mixed with the Minoans on their way to the Levant), though, but as for the rest of them, you're absolutely right.
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Post by k5125 on Mar 13, 2005 14:40:55 GMT -5
Hebrews. Definately not black.
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Post by Igu on Mar 13, 2005 15:01:38 GMT -5
Interesting how people love to doubt something that is well-known to knowledgable people to be completely accurate. Legend or not, the Table of Nations OWNZ you, Berter. It is the oldest ethnographic document EVER. You shouldn't mock something that actually affirms your own beliefs about the Berbers being white, anyway. It surely is useful, but you can't use them as you do, you repeat even th myths : "All nations descended of Eber, a son of Arphaxad, are Hebrews, since Eber is actually the source of the word "Hebrew." you seem to believe that the presence of hebrews begins with Eber some 5 ky BC, this is BS, they existed before Adam 10 ky BC.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 13, 2005 15:04:11 GMT -5
Touche. It is a good enough guide for studying migrations. Whether or not one wants to take the timeline literally or not is up to that person and his religious beliefs, I guess.
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Post by EternalSemitic on Apr 14, 2005 9:59:14 GMT -5
god you're bullshiting we all know that all this crap was invented by christian negroes who're trying to prove "jesus"'s black.i know that you smart ass arab are trying to talk us into believing arabs are superior than jews but in the same way i can find you stuff about hebrews being nordic,not that i believe it.And maybe Arabs were black provided they're three-fourths hamites so i presume you've bigger chance to have negro blood than me. EternalSemitic: Refrain from your racist innuendo.
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Post by KLI on Apr 14, 2005 10:04:15 GMT -5
god you're bullshiting we all know that all this crap was invented by christian negroes who're trying to prove "jesus"'s black.i know that you smart ass arab are trying to talk us into believing arabs are superior than jews but in the same way i can find you stuff about hebrews being nordic,not that i believe it.And maybe Arabs were black provided they're three-fourths hamites so i presume you've bigger chance to have negro blood than me. What the hell are you talking about you idiot? Why are you attempting to use blackness as an insult? Oh yeah, cuz you are a racist fool
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