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Post by mike2 on Feb 21, 2005 22:48:15 GMT -5
Billy Bob Thornton and Val Kilmer have NA ancestry, too. As much as 1/4, I think.
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Post by buddyrydell on Feb 21, 2005 23:34:17 GMT -5
Billy Bob Thornton and Val Kilmer have NA ancestry, too. As much as 1/4, I think. I knew about Val Kilmer, didn't know about Billy Bob though. Come to think of it, they both kinda show it imo. Some of Val's facial features seem to indicate the NA, and perhaps Billy Bob's seemingly darker coloring for a WASP might also be the result of the NA ancestry. Some other white celebrities I've heard who also have NA ancestry: Tommy Lee Jones Johnny Cash Chuck Norris Gary Busey James Garner I'd say if about 1/3 of all white Americans can trace an African ancestor, I think it'd be safe to assume that more could trace a NA ancestor since NAs were more easily absorbed into the white population under the infamous "one drop rule."
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Post by Anja on Feb 22, 2005 17:22:57 GMT -5
I don't know. Black Americans and White Americans often go out of their way to talk about their Native American ancestry. I don't get the sense that anyone is trying to hide their NA heritage. It's not like the 1800's; it's a badge of honor now. like i said, we're not all a bunch of racist closet-indians/blacks or anything that can't come to terms with non-white heritage.
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Post by captainusa1 on Feb 23, 2005 1:30:11 GMT -5
like i said, we're not all a bunch of racist closet-indians/blacks or anything that can't come to terms with non-white heritage. Right, it's a bogus characterization IMO. I can't help but see an agenda when I read between the lines.
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Post by Human on Feb 23, 2005 8:37:35 GMT -5
Personally I think that at least a third of all 'whites' in the US have some black ancestry, even if it was 1/64 or 1/128. I also believe that more than half of the white population have some Amerind or Asian (mainly Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Korean, or Phillipino) ancestry. It is sad that we as Americans actually have more in common than we are taught or conditioned to believe. African ancestry was considered a bad thing and those with mostly African ancestry were considered inferior for centuries. Sadly that is why so many 'whites' do not know that they are not really 100% 'white'. Human, that is a great post. It is interesting to note that in the South, 'black' and 'white' cultures have many similarities and ancestry despite the years of oppression, especially since the 'black' population in much of the South is so large (at least 25-40%). Hi VibeSoldier. I fully agree with what you said. White americans are not as white as one usually thinks they are. Theres no agenda about that. Just the truth.
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Post by Human on Feb 23, 2005 8:40:53 GMT -5
I knew about Val Kilmer, didn't know about Billy Bob though. Come to think of it, they both kinda show it imo. Some of Val's facial features seem to indicate the NA, and perhaps Billy Bob's seemingly darker coloring for a WASP might also be the result of the NA ancestry. Some other white celebrities I've heard who also have NA ancestry: Tommy Lee Jones Johnny Cash Chuck Norris Gary Busey James Garner I'd say if about 1/3 of all white Americans can trace an African ancestor, I think it'd be safe to assume that more could trace a NA ancestor since NAs were more easily absorbed into the white population under the infamous "one drop rule." yeah. i fully agree here too. one has too consider this big list consists only of famous people, celebrities. how about the anonymous? then the list would get really big...
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Post by Human on Feb 23, 2005 8:42:37 GMT -5
Sociologist and anthropologist Robert Stuckert examined census and fertility data to estimate how many blacks in America had passed as white, and how many whites had African ancestry as a result. His statistical tables showed that during the 1940s, 15,550 light-skinned blacks per year crossed over to live as whites, for a total of about 155,500 for the decade. Based on these figures, he determined that by 1950, some 21% of whites (about 28 million people then) had black ancestry within the last four generations, and he predicted that this number would only grow in the decades to come. (Robert Stuckert, Ohio Journal of Science, 1958) from racial reality. according to the reasonable calculations above, around 21% of whites (or 28 million people) had some black ancestry in the 4 four generations in 1950.
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Post by Human on Feb 23, 2005 8:44:27 GMT -5
considering their fairly recent colonization. the homogeneous british colonization. and considering that the natives werent in large numbers, plus there werent any black african folks, i would say that most white australians are indeed of pure british, white northern european ancestry.
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Post by Human on Feb 23, 2005 8:48:19 GMT -5
like i said, we're not all a bunch of racist closet-indians/blacks or anything that can't come to terms with non-white heritage. i agree. americans are quite opened and objective. throughout this thread one can realize this. most north americans who posted here admitted it. i only think theres some bias considering the tendency in labelling some mixed north americans white, and stressing foreigners degree of admixture and/or inventing it (eg. Picasso and Banderas).
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Post by nordicyouth on Feb 23, 2005 13:09:01 GMT -5
Certainly, though in Canada, admixture is less, even inter-ethnic admixture. Only recently are Whites 'generic' (i.e. with ancestry from all over Europe); usually they have two European lineages e.g. Anglo-Irish, Italian-Polish, Scots-Irish, Anglo-Polish, German-Ukrainian. I do believe early Native admixture (except among the Metis) has been negligible. Real inter-subracial and inter-racial admixture in Canada I believe is relatively recent.
Ironic, that Canadian Whites are far more 'purer' than American Whites, but it's the latter that are prejudiced in favour of Whiteness.
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Post by vela on Feb 23, 2005 16:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by Human on Feb 23, 2005 17:06:07 GMT -5
thanks for the interesting information Vela. but i was referring to black ancestry, which is quite negligible in Argentina. anyway they are mostly mixed to, much more than white americans, broadly speaking (and taking into consideration the interior of Argentina; buenos aires region is more different).
it seems white Canadians are the purest. followed by white north americans. in the American continent.
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Post by captainusa1 on Feb 24, 2005 1:59:39 GMT -5
A third of White Americans have recent Black ancestry? I don't buy it.
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Post by Tautamo on Feb 24, 2005 8:06:54 GMT -5
"white americans" do you guys know how many waves of europeans have come to these shores? some do have admixer Most dont..........
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Post by Anja on Feb 24, 2005 17:54:59 GMT -5
A third of White Americans have recent Black ancestry? I don't buy it. that's what i'm thinkin. as an average american, i just don't see much major admixture runnin around...i dunno...could someone provied more studies or something, more evidence?
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