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Post by alexandrian on Feb 8, 2005 20:41:59 GMT -5
Are you egyptian? you're probably not, because that's quite an ignorant statement. Egypt itself is extremely hot, I would'nt be surprised to find extremely dark people there. There we have it, your claim you are egyptian yet you've never even seen a real-life nubian, you have to look at pictures to get an idea of what they even look like. That's an ignorant statement considering the egyptians were right next door to the highly civilized nubians. But otherwise: I am an Egyptian and I can attest that there may be black-skinned people in Egypt, but they are Nubians, not Egyptians. All the people in the pictures you posted were undoubtedly Nubians. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf are hotter than Egypt, yet they are not Negroid nations, neither is Egypt. I have seen numerous Nubians considering they are easy to tell apart because of their black skin. There are actually many Nubian drivers in Alexandria. There are dark brown Egyptians but the blacks in Egypt are Nubians or illegal freeloading Sudanese refugees. Haha...those ruins at Zimbabwe are pathetic. A stone wall? A mound of rocks? You expect me to be impressed? These also were built three thousand years after the pyramids. Which is more impressive? Compare those ruins to Abu Simbel or Philae or what the Pharos lighthouse would have looked like. Egyptians are much better off, get more attention, and more recognition than sub-Saharan black Africans. If there were as many Egyptians in America as blacks, believe me we'd be kicking ass.
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Post by Kame on Feb 8, 2005 22:05:11 GMT -5
*cough* nitpicker *cough*
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 8, 2005 22:18:09 GMT -5
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kame are you TRYING to prove the inferiority of Negroes by posting pictures of that shitty pile of rocks? This is the funniest thing I've seen you do so far!
By the way, there are jet black Negroes in Egypt...they're called SUDANESE.
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Post by Kame on Feb 8, 2005 22:30:51 GMT -5
So ofcourse, outrageously, what you are telling is that despite the fact that egyptians have been living in the hot desert for thousands of years, all dark-skin is to be attributed to nubians? Ever seen Indians, mexicans or aborigenes, ? One does not have to be african to be dark-skinned, and dark-skin does not mean you have direct african ancestry it just means your ancestors lived in a hot-ass climate, I was simply noting that in many egyptians, don't get your panties in a bunch. I don't even know why'd you'd make the comparision, those countries are'nt even in africa and are obviously inhabited by a different type of people. The fact of the matter is, you are probably closer related to the 7th century arab conquerors of egypt than the original egyptians. Much of egypt is inhabited by west asians. Probably, considering many arabs are light-skinned or medium-toned, and they make up much of the bulk of that country. I don't care if your impressed of not, your nobody. Besides, the Egyptians were'nt exactly a step up. They built their buildings out of mud-brick. Abu Simbel was in Nubia (sudan), dumbass. And the lighthouse was built by the greeks. That only leaves your crusty pyramids which served and serves absolutely no function other than a tourist industry. On top of that, none of them were built by you so obviously theres no way you can claim them anyway. Maybe, but if you are blending in with the general white population, like you say, I would liken your success to whiteness, not as a separate functioning indentity such as the jews or chinese. You were'nt segregated and disenfrachsied for 400 years like the african-americans, you reaped from the benefit of being white. So I suppose in that case you would have no reason not to be successful. Anyways, your still nobody's. If I asked someone to name a famous egyptian, they'd be hard-pressed to tell me of atleast one. Yes, but I suppose you could have your wishful thinking, and ofcourse, reality tells you otherwise. You already kick-ass, donkeys that is
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Post by Kame on Feb 8, 2005 22:36:13 GMT -5
Ah, yes, we have before us a master of masonry and architecture! Tell me, what great wonders have you built? You probably could'nt even build a sand castle.
You've proven before that your a dumbass, and here you keep demonstrating it again and again. You are a complete and total waste of oxygen. Why don't you just do us all a favor and die already.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 8, 2005 23:29:31 GMT -5
So ofcourse, outrageously, what you are telling is that despite the fact that egyptians have been living in the hot desert for thousands of years, all dark-skin is to be attributed to nubians? Ever seen Indians, mexicans or aborigenes, ? One does not have to be african to be dark-skinned, and dark-skin does not mean you have direct african ancestry it just means your ancestors lived in a hot-ass climate, I was simply noting that in many egyptians, don't get your panties in a bunch. I know Mexicans are dark, like Egyptians and that both can be dark brown, but Egyptians never are jet black, and neither are Mexicans. Dravidians are much closer to the equator than Egyptians and iNdians are not the same people. I don't even know why'd you'd make the comparision, those countries are'nt even in africa and are obviously inhabited by a different type of people. Haha, here you are contradicting yourself. First you attribute darkness to sun, not race, and when given a countering example you say they are not the same people. I hate to break it to you, but modern day Egyptians are on the whole, lighter and with more caucasoid features than Saudis, Yemenis, or Omanis are. There is not a lot of physical difference between Arabs and Egyptians, though they are not the same people, they have many physical, ethnic, and genetic similarities that existed before Arab invasions. The fact of the matter is, you are probably closer related to the 7th century arab conquerors of egypt than the original egyptians. Much of egypt is inhabited by west asians. No, I'm not. My family is Coptic Christian, so we don't have much arab blood. The University of Cairo ran a study of the pyramid builders and showed them to be very genetically close to mdoern Egyptians. We are the same people as our ancestors, and we have many simialrities to other Middle Eastern people, which is why Egyptians always considered Nabateans and people of the Gulf similar to them, and painted Asiatics, in some instances, the same color as some Egyptians. Probably, considering many arabs are light-skinned or medium-toned, and they make up much of the bulk of that country. Again, Egyptians tend to be lighter in color than most southern Arabs. Egyptians are not Arabs, and arabs had an insignificant impact on the gene pool. Greeks and Levantines probably had a greater impact on the Egyptian gene pool than Arabs, and either way, modern day Egyptians are similar to their ancestors. I don't care if your impressed of not, your nobody. I'm not the only one. Few people give a rat's ass about Zimbabwe because, for their relatively recent age, those monuments are extremely shitty compared to fantastic Egypt. That's why over a million visitors will visit the king Tut exhibit when it tours the USA. That's why the King Tut exhibit was the first blockbuster (1 million or more visitors) of the 20th century for LACMA when it came there in the 70s. Abu Simbel was in Nubia (sudan), dumbass. And the lighthouse was built by the greeks. That only leaves your crusty pyramids which served and serves absolutely no function other than a tourist industry. On top of that, none of them were built by you so obviously theres no way you can claim them anyway. Abu Simbel was built in Nubia, but it was designed and probably built by Egyptians. Karnak, the largest religious complex of the ancient world, was also built by the Egyptians. THe lighthouse was built by Hellenized Egyptians. The Great Pyramids are the only standing wonders of the ancient world. There's a reason why they provoke so much fascination. Compare all that to a stone wall in Zimbabwe. Doesn't seem like much. Although Egyptians had an easier time to succeed in America because we were more easily integrated into the mainstream white community (particularly Christian ones), we are still recent immigrants. Egyptians began immigrating to America en masse by the end of the Civil Rights ERa. So Egyptians came right when blacks began being treated as equals. The time-span is identical, yet we've achieved more in the same time-span, with fewer people.
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Post by Kame on Feb 8, 2005 23:51:21 GMT -5
Whatever, I'm getting tired of arguing with you.
Um no. Not really. I mean't exactly what I said. Egyptians are'nt exactly the same as the west asians. But you seem to particularly uncomfortable with the idea of the possibility being black or part-black. There's nothing wrong with being black. Blacks are just people like everyone else, the stigma is a result the slave trade and stereotyping associating africans with weakness. in ancient times, European and Persian armies were hard-pressed to conquer Nubia or Kush. African archers and spearmen held their own for many years. Remember, in conquering as in business, location is everything, and Africa was just across the atlantic. Only with the invention of capitalism, advanced shipping, and gunpower could Europeans effectively subdue african populations on a massive scale. And ofcourse wealth to bribe african kings.
Fine, I'll give you that. But I just find it hilarious that people like you will go out of their way to say they are not black. I'm not even gonna say egpyt was black anymore, because it is a fruitless uphill battle here. You are set in your ways and will not even consider a differing viewpoint. Anyways that study is only on one segment of the population. Realistically you have to conduct it like a poll, getting genetic markers from all parts of the ancient population.
So? What significance does it have now? Tourist attraction maybe. I'll tell you what, it's probably one hell of a money maker.
You would'nt exactly call mud-bricks a step up from stone. Egyptians have somehow managed to create the greatest mud-brick structures in the world though, I'll give you that.
So you assume immediately after the civil right's era laws and demonstrations set in, black would automatically have full socio-economic equality? How utopian of you, but it's not realistic. Old wounds heal slowly. Besides, actually middle-easterners have had a presence in america for a while, atleast a far as the early 1900's, so why then suddenly, did they finally start to surpass blacks after the civil rights era? Nevermind we come from totally different social conditionings, cultures and backgrounds. I'll admit even Nigerians do better than us.
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Post by Kame on Feb 9, 2005 1:06:28 GMT -5
Pictures of egyptians: Mulatto some mulatto's, mostly arab Mulatto mulatto
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 9, 2005 1:29:38 GMT -5
Those are all Egyptians. And they're all predominantly Caucasoid. The schoolgirls in the first picture are certainly not mulatto, neither are the worshippers at the mosque. Having brown skin means nothing. They are clearly Caucasoid and clearly Middle Eastern (southern Middle Eastern, i.e. Egypt, Libya, Gulf, southern Iraq)
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Post by deuceswild on Feb 9, 2005 1:56:30 GMT -5
Jesus Christ this thread is still alive? God, talk about beating a dead horse.
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Post by Faelcind on Feb 9, 2005 2:52:14 GMT -5
Deuce you must not have gotten the Memo dodona has been changed to a strict afrocentrist vs. medicist board. No reasonable opinions needed.
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Post by human2 on Feb 9, 2005 9:29:24 GMT -5
Deuce you must not have gotten the Memo dodona has been changed to a strict afrocentrist vs. medicist board. No reasonable opinions needed. Well, I got the memo pretty early on but it's still more respectable than Skadi, though Skadi is more technical and informed.
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Post by Shenuda on Feb 9, 2005 12:40:13 GMT -5
Yeah, the difference is striking: Egyptian Egyptians Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian The first,second and fourth one are Nubians or even Sudanese(in the first pick is probably Sudanese person).The rest are probably Egyptians, but they don´t look like an average Egyptian
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Post by Shenuda on Feb 9, 2005 12:46:24 GMT -5
Pictures of egyptians: Mulatto some mulatto's, mostly arab Mulatto mulatto These people are not "mulattos". They can be "mulatto-looking", but they are not "mulattos". You can say that they are mixed caucasoid-negroid(not "clearly caucasoid"), but they don´t look like Nubians or Sudanese and most Upper Egyptians look like them. They are not "black".
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Post by Melnorme on Feb 9, 2005 12:58:35 GMT -5
You can say that they are mixed caucasoid-negroid(not "clearly caucasoid"), Maybe not even that.
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