which are the true cousins of the jewish people?

[BabylonLion]

human2 said:

Did I mention that the "ideal" Nord is nothing but a southern type (perhaps Middle Eastern) who got a little blonder and wider in face by mixing with aboriginals of upper Eastern Europe?

I have a cousin living in Sweden, she's half Assyrian half Norwegian and she's drop dead gorgeous. if I could get emailed a pic Ill post it.

[alexandrian]

I kind of regard Egyptians as cousins of Jews. Though there's little genetic proof. In the Bible, there are many instances when Jews like Moses, JOseph, and Paul the Apostle are confused for Egyptians, which is proof of at least physical resemblances. We know the Egyptians practiced circumcision so the cultural example was there too. The history between Egyptians and Jews spans almost every time period and is incredibly complex. I'd love to delve deeper into it.

[murphee]

I agree with you re: Egyptians. Also, Jews were slaves of the Egyptians long ago, and mixing surely occurred.

[Berter]

Alexandrian said:

I kind of regard Egyptians as cousins of Jews. Though there's little genetic proof. In the Bible, there are many instances when Jews like Moses, JOseph, and Paul the Apostle are confused for Egyptians,

Post an example of these instances!. I have read that Moses realised that he was of jewish stock mainly cause of his physical ressemblences/differences with the jews/with the AEs. . Also, Joseph was quite an exotic/beautiful type in the eyes of the AEs. Right !? ...You find that in the Bible and the Coran.

[alexandrian]

Berter said:

Post an example of these instances!. I have read that Moses realised that he was of jewish stock mainly cause of his physical ressemblences/differences with the jews/with the AEs. . Also, Joseph was quite an exotic/beautiful type in the eyes of the AEs. Right !? ...You find that in the Bible and the Coran.

NO, when Moses fled to Midian and helped the women water their flock they told their dad "An Egyptian helped us" Exodus 11:19 This shows that they confused Moses for an Egyptian. Moreover, when Joseph's brothers visited him in Egypt they regarded him as Egyptian, and thought he was a native Egyptian-speaking Egyptian, which was why a translator was thought to be needed. Clearly this shows physical affiniteis because if Hebrews and AEs were so distinct than Joseph's brothers would have inferred he was a Hebrew, and Zipporah would have not thought Moses was Egyptian.

In regards to Paul, there is a verse, not sure where, where Paul is talking to a merchant and the merchant is surprised to find out Paul is not a "Greek-speaking Egyptian". I'll try to find it.


People always think I'm Jewish. Even when I went to a Catholic school, the other kids always used to ask me if I was a Jew. It's probaby because of my Roman nose, but I think the above verses do mean something.

[Berter]

Alexandrian said:

NO, when Moses fled to Midian and helped the women water their flock they told their dad "An Egyptian helped us" Exodus 11:19 This shows that they confused Moses for an Egyptian.

Were they (the women) familliar with the egyptian looks !?; I really dont think so. I think they were reffering to Moses' nationality/origin---egyptian.

Moreover, when Joseph's brothers visited him in Egypt they regarded him as Egyptian, and thought he was a native Egyptian-speaking Egyptian, which was why a translator was thought to be needed.

The affair that the wife of the Egyptian minister had with Joseph proves that joseph's looks wasnt common amongst AEs. Also, Joseph probably lost his native language (hebrew) cause he left his familly at a very young age, which explain why his brothers needed a translator.

In regards to Paul, there is a verse, not sure where, where Paul is talking to a merchant and the merchant is surprised to find out Paul is not a "Greek-speaking Egyptian". I'll try to find it.

I do know nothing about Paul. Its all legends to me!

[alexandrian]

Berter said:

Were they (the women) familliar with the egyptian looks !?; I really dont think so. I think they were reffering to Moses' nationality/origin---egyptian.

Of course they were familiar with the looks of the Egyptians. They were from Midian, which, If i do believe, was around the present day location of the Suez Canal. Obviously, they had a lot of contact with the Egyptians, like most Near Eastern civilizations of the time. They wouldn't have inferred he was egyptian if he didn't look the part.

Berter said:

The affair that the wife of the Egyptian minister had with Joseph proves that joseph's looks wasnt common amongst AEs. Also, Joseph probably lost his native language (hebrew) cause he left his familly at a very young age, which explain why his brothers needed a translator.

How does the affair prove anything? Affairst occur between people of the same ethnic or national heritage all the time. he may have looked Egyptian, and may have simply been better looking. We know for sure he was younger than Potiphar. Joseph never lost Hebrew, but he was tricking his brothers. Either way, if Hebrews looked different from Egyptians, wouldn't his brothers have been able to tell he was a Hebrew?

[Berter]

Alexandrian said:

Either way, if Hebrews looked different from Egyptians, wouldn't his brothers have been able to tell he was a Hebrew?

The coran says that Joseph's brothers recognised him at their 1st meeting but refused to to tell him, for some reasons.

[Berter]

I think that the closest relatives to the jews are the palestinians, iraqis, syrians & lebanese and, finally, the arabs of the arabic peninsula; In this order!

[alexandrian]

Berter said:

The coran says that Joseph's brothers recognised him at their 1st meeting but refused to to tell him, for some reasons.

Really? That's interesting, because it's the exact opposite of the biblical story. Are you sure you don't have it backwards? Because in the Bible, Joseph recognizes his brothers but does not want to tell them, which is why he uses a translator. I think this is a very interesting difference, though it's worth noting that the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) did come before the Quran.

[Berter]

Alexandrian said:

Really? That's interesting, because it's the exact opposite of the biblical story. Are you sure you don't have it backwards? Because in the Bible, Joseph recognizes his brothers but does not want to tell them, which is why he uses a translator. I think this is a very interesting difference, though it's worth noting that the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) did come before the Quran.

Smart egyptian! which version should be the right one !?...Jospeh was young when he left his familly, therefore he couldnt recall much about his brothers. I think the coranic version is the rational one. But its all legends to me, pagan berber .

[alexandrian]

Berter said:

Smart egyptian! which version should be the right one !?...Jospeh was young when he left his familly, therefore he couldnt recall much about his brothers. I think the coranic version is the rational one. But its all legends to me, pagan berber .

haha, au contraire, berter, Joseph was 19 when his brothers sold him, well old enough to remember them, and the Bible said he does. Keep in mind, Egyptians shaved and put more of a value on personal cleanliness than Hebrews. If he is shaven, wearing different dress, and has grown up, he would be unrecognizable to his brothers, whereas his brothers were well beyond growing age when he last saw them, and had been wearing the same clothes and keeping the same habits. Also, the Quran was written in 600s AD while the first source of the Bible had begun to be written in 950 BC. I don't think the difference is too great, I don't want to begin a religious dispute.

[hebronjew18]

Palestinians, Kurds (lost tribes), Jordanians, Chaldeans, Syrians, Lebanese, North Saudis, Iraqis, Sout Arabians

[yigal]

Alexandrian said:

Really? That's interesting, because it's the exact opposite of the biblical story. Are you sure you don't have it backwards? Because in the Bible, Joseph recognizes his brothers but does not want to tell them, which is why he uses a translator. I think this is a very interesting difference, though it's worth noting that the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) did come before the Quran.

well heres the actual quote from the Toraah ha qodesh

Bereishiyth 42/Genesis 42

zayin Wayare yoseif eth e7aav wayakrem; wayithnaker aleihem waydhabeir itaam qaashoth,wayomer aleihem meiayin baathem,wayomru,me'ereS kana3an lishbar-okhel

7 And Joseph saw his brethren, and he knew them, but made himself strange unto them, and spoke roughly with them; and he said unto them: 'Whence come ye?' And they said: 'From the land of Canaan to buy food.'

7eth wayaker yoseif eth e7aav; wehem.lo hikruhu

8 And Joseph knew his brethren, but they knew him not.

[yigal]

what no responce?