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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 23, 2005 10:24:35 GMT -5
Annunaki, you are very, very wrong. East asians are exelent in arts (including music). I suggest you at least once listen east asian classical music. Do you mean excellent in playing European-invented instruments? Hell, even Arabs to that. ;D What I meant was 'inventing' music. As far as I know, the East Asians have no equivalent of the European era of classical music. Even during the 1900s it was the Europeans and there descendants overseas who 'invented' most musical genres. But of course, there are nowadays composers from all over the world and I'm sure east Asians have their masters. However, the classical music was born in Europe. That's a big difference between east Asians playing the music and inventing it themselves. I still rank Europeans highest. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by LibLabDog on Jan 23, 2005 16:34:18 GMT -5
It's clearly the Pygmies. ...Because they can fit into small tight places. And they don't even have short-guy complex. Let's all give a BIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGG thank you, to our little friends. ![](http://www.pygmee.nl/Fotos/banaan.jpg)
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 23, 2005 16:45:43 GMT -5
This topic is stupid to begin with... Anyway, anunnaki, you know nothing about Asian culture, so why don't you shut your trap and learn before you speak? China, for example, had it's tradition of classical music, with its own notation system and harmonics, long before Europe. This band in the link below is the synthesis of classical Chinese music with a modern flare: www.twelvegirlsband.comThere's samples you can listen to. Personally, I prefer it over Western classical. Well, so what? I STILL RANK EUROPEANS HIGHER. Why does that piss you off? And stop hiding behind Europe or Meds. This is something I've noticed with Persians on Skadi (as well as some North Africans here). The Persians on Skadi, including you, all had this "Do you Nords accept my Persianness into your brotherhood" vibe. Let's just concentrate on Iran. *deep sigh* Yeah, because posing as a Med is precisly what I've been doing. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) That's why I voted for Europeans instead of the Fertile Crescent which would be closer to 'home' for me. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) I rank Europeans higher than any other group because altogether they have accomplished more. That does not in any way imply that I consider myself European. Would you have written the same thing had I been a black African? Most likely not. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) For some reason it ticks you off that a Persian likes European people and cultures. Sure ancient Persia had its glory days, but those are long gone and Iran today is not much to be proud of. Even if Iran wasn't the shithole it is today, I'd still rank Europeans higher. Anyone who's been around on Dodona since I began to post here know that I've never tried to be European. I'm European culturally, but that's only because I was brought up as one. I've stated that several times on this board. I'm not a racist, so whether people consider me white or not is of no interest to me. Race is interesting, but not important, at least not for me. Besides, the Nords in Sweden have already accepted me for who I am. None of them considers me 'white'. What a bunch of racialists/Nordicists on anonymous Internet discussion boards think of me is really of no importance in my everyday life.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 23, 2005 17:08:21 GMT -5
It was funny that you know nothing about Chinese culture but proceeded to make pronouncements about Chinese having no classical music tradition. Who made you a walking encyclopedia? No one and true, I don't know much about Chinese history and culture other than what was taught in high school, but I still would rank Europeans higher. Still, even if the Chinese have a marvellous classical music tradition, even if the Japanese have their kabuki and a thousand other great things, I would still rank Europeans higher. As for all your blabbering about the other stuff that "pissed me off", notice that I only addressed the classical music part, which means I could care less about whether Iranians are accepted in Europe. You're talking to yourself, assuring yourself, whether you know it or not. You're the one who brought up my ethnicity in all this as if it has anything to do with whom I rank the highest. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Apparently, my being Persian somehow annoys you.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 23, 2005 17:49:59 GMT -5
European "domiance" came only after the Renaissance, which was fueled by Eastern knowledge (I mean Arab science/mathematics/philosophy/astronomy, Arab translation/transmission of the Greek, Persian, Mesoptamian and Indian and Chinese knowledge; by their transmission of such Chinese inventions such as gun powder, paper, printing, compass, steering, rotter paper money/checking/financial system, (<--which fueled the Italian bankers/patrons of the Renaissance) which fueled discovery, spread of knowledge and so on and so on beginning with the Renaissance. From what I've read, most of the Arab and Persian inventions where brought from India so they were only caretakers of the knowledge and not really the true inventors. The Euros had it made for themselves. They were at the right place at the right time. Certainly, the Greeks had a fabulous tradition and it contributed tremendously to the rise of the West, but that was Greece, and that was 2 thousand years prior. Of course. And for the past couple of hundred years northwestern Euros have been dominating so I, living here and now, rank them highest. If say the Japanese will dominate 200 years from now then they'll probably be ranked the highest. Where inventions first were made becomes less interesting if modifications of them are re-invented by another people 1500 later. The Chinese may have invented gun powder, but to someone living in 2005, Western weaponry is more 'relevant' than the original invention. The fact that you're Iranian doesn't annoy me. The way you weave yourself into OPP annoys me. What's OPP?
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Post by Josh on Jan 23, 2005 17:53:12 GMT -5
What the hell? That song Clocks on there has the exact same melody as some song by Coldplay. Who ripped off who?
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 23, 2005 18:01:23 GMT -5
I just listened to a sample by that twelvegirlsband... It sounds a bit popsy! Is that really classical music? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 23, 2005 18:02:02 GMT -5
What's OPP? Why don't you check out a 90's rap video or ask an African Swede (if they're into Hip Hop). Hmm that sounds a little assuming and racist on part. ;D I'm not into rap and I don't associate with people who are. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 23, 2005 18:14:46 GMT -5
No, it's a 21st Century pop version. Thanks for the info, human2! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Can you point me to some real Chinese classical music? By the way, glad to see an East Asian around here (is "Oriental" ok with you?) : I always wondered why there were none on this forum! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by alexandrian on Jan 23, 2005 19:15:37 GMT -5
Seriously, human2, one Chinese girl band does not mean anything. The classics of classical music were all wholly European. Even during the time of the Islamic learning, all major scientific breakthroughs have come from Caucasians, as have most forms of art, literature, etc. The girl is entitled to her own opinion. What is wrong with saying Europeans are superior? Economic indicators clearly say they do, as Europe is by far the richest continent despite having few natural resources, most great artists and musicians of the past centuries have been European. Most scientific discoveries in the last 500 years, are due to Europeans. One Chinese girl band doesn't change much- at all.
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Post by alexandrian on Jan 23, 2005 22:06:10 GMT -5
Europe has only been "great" since around the 16th century, and only started to dominate things for the last 3. Fair Enough. But it can be argued that since we live in a world that for the lifetime of all our living relatives has been one dominated by Europeans, or their descendants, as seeds of this era, we are prone to thinking in modern terms. In modern terms, an argument can easily be made that Europeans are "superior" to other races. I don't think she was trying to say that you didn't have classical music, I think she just meant classical music originated in Europe, but I could be wrong.
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Post by Faelcind on Jan 24, 2005 1:13:58 GMT -5
Alexandrian the idea that civilization is evidence for biological superiority is falacious and I am tired of hearing it. Please read my thread on the subect here
[ftp]http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=history&action=display&thread=1105923295[/ftp]
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Post by Solomon on Jan 24, 2005 1:50:46 GMT -5
And all of that has nothing to do with you, my Egyptian friend, so stop bragging all over about "Caucasian" achievements to cover up your own insecurities. What in the world are you smoking? He's Egyptian, his ancestors made considerable contributions to Western Civilization. On top of that, he's Caucasian. You criticize annunaki for making silly statements, then you do the exact same thing. Ever heard of Ancient Greece or Rome?
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Post by Anima Eternae on Jan 24, 2005 2:07:03 GMT -5
And all of that has nothing to do with you, my Egyptian friend, so stop bragging all over about "Caucasian" achievements to cover up your own insecurities. I didn't care what she thought or thinks. I was merely pointing out that she knew nothing about Chinese and yet proceeded to make ignorant pronouncements about us not having classical music. Europe has only been "great" since around the 16th century, and only started to dominate things for the last 3. Ancient Rome and Greece... But many Eurocentrists take great delight in denying China's influence on Europe. This idiotic notion that somehow "asians can't create" never ceases to die. (hate site, watch out) History is far too dynamic to codify to race, except maybe for negroes.. www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=178690&postcount=140
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Post by Faelcind on Jan 24, 2005 2:49:00 GMT -5
Ancient Rome and Greece... But many Eurocentrists take great delight in denying China's influence on Europe. This idiotic notion that somehow "asians can't create" never ceases to die. (hate site, watch out) History is far too dynamic to codify to race, except maybe for negroes.. www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=178690&postcount=140Don't buy the bullshit about history proving anything about Negroids either. I can't beleive how powerfull the rascism group think is in the online community. If anyone actually bothered to look at african history with an unbiased eye the would see it contains all the elements any other people generated, the just were historicall unlucky, no horses, no wheat, no goats no sheep. Read the thread I linked to above. God I am tired of this ridiculous historical argument for rascism.
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