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Post by Mimers on Jun 6, 2005 11:09:15 GMT -5
LOL!!!! Oh no you misunderstood me!! What I meant to say was that the school system here doesn't teach practically anthing on european history... WE are on our own to read-up on these things...whcih is why I like it here so much, I get these short summary versions with spice and gusto!!! OMG now that I re-read my post, it does sound sarcastic doesn't it hehehehheheheh Wow, unfortunately I do not have that kind of talent.. usually, with me, there is a misunderstanding... you know Canadians being all polite and stuff. heheheh
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jun 6, 2005 11:17:42 GMT -5
Golabki. What's so special about them. I prefer it with the sauerkraut. I don't think the Poles use sauerkraut in the Golabki or at least when I was in Poland I never experienced that. I would never have associated Polish food with Serbian food. My older friends who used to visit East Germany or East Berlin when the wall was up, used to refer to East Germany as crossing from the West to the East. All roads in East Germany lead to Moscow in those days. From modernity of West Germany to Soviet style austerity in the "Democratic" Republic. Italians did have a love affair with Communist theory but it was one of those on/off relationships. It was unlikely Italians would willingly allow the Communist Party to be the dominant force in Italy. Mimidamoon, you think just like an East European circa 1950. Congratulations for keeping up the standards of the Soviets.
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Post by Circe on Jun 6, 2005 11:37:26 GMT -5
Golabki. What's so special about them. I prefer it with the sauerkraut. I don't think the Poles use sauerkraut in the Golabki or at least when I was in Poland I never experienced that. I would never have associated Polish food with Serbian food. Yeah, we make them with sauerkraut, and call them "sarma" which is the same word that Turks use for this kind of rolls ;D @ Mimidamoon: I got your point, and I knew that you meant no harm, but the opportunity was perfect and I just couldn't resist
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Post by Mimers on Jun 6, 2005 11:42:11 GMT -5
Golabki. What's so special about them. I prefer it with the sauerkraut. I don't think the Poles use sauerkraut in the Golabki or at least when I was in Poland I never experienced that. I would never have associated Polish food with Serbian food. Polish using tomatoe and ground meet (and give it a sweeter taste) Serbians I believe put ground meet with a bit of rice...In any case, they are yummy. I've never heard of sauerkraut in the cabbage rolls, that must be very interesting to taste... Mimidamoon, you think just like an East European circa 1950. Congratulations for keeping up the standards of the Soviets. And so too then do my friends But there is nothing wrong with sharing recipes and comparing languages with buddies. I haven't had contact with the soviets nor do I know anything about it, and my parents don't share those political ideologies, etc. My friends are an ecclectic bunch nevertheless....and we love to eat and drink and for some reason the topic of conversation always ends-up being about sex heheheh And you know who usually starts it... our Italian buddy hehehe He's the best hehehe
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Post by Mimers on Jun 6, 2005 11:43:57 GMT -5
YES!! SARMA!!! That's it!! but there is a version with vine leaves that the greeks make too...then there is another version with pickled cabbage no?! I will start another thread in Anything Goes...oo oo my first one : D: D:D
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Post by Circe on Jun 6, 2005 11:47:13 GMT -5
Serbians I believe put ground meet with a bit of rice...In any case, they are yummy. I've never heard of sauerkraut in the cabbage rolls, that must be very interesting to taste... What do you mean you've never heard of "sarma" I'm shocked and appalled! ;D We don't put sauerkraut IN the rolls, but use whole leaves of sour cabbage (that was kept in brine for some time) and stuff them with minced meat and rice... It's delicious, an absolute MUST-TRY! You should ask your mom to make you some @ Nock: I'm afraid the Southern Slavs have kidnapped your thread! ;D
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 6, 2005 12:00:21 GMT -5
@ Nock: I'm afraid the Southern Slavs have kidnapped your thread! ;D Better alive with the smell of cabbages and stuff than clean and dead
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Post by Mimers on Jun 6, 2005 12:10:11 GMT -5
Better alive with the smell of cabbages and stuff than clean and dead Nock
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 6, 2005 12:57:04 GMT -5
where I live, we Polish, Slovacks and Serbs stick together....hang out together, and we just have this bond... Now that the heat about the cabbage connection is cooling down, this above is quite telling, seems to me. Is it just your experience or somewhat in Canada immigrants from Slav speaking countries tend to stick toghether and being lumped by others as a single group?
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Post by Mimers on Jun 6, 2005 13:38:44 GMT -5
Well based on my own experienced, the parents who came to Canada don't have this affiliation with other slavic speakers, or none that I have observed. But for some reason people of my generation and their kids here, have a connection...I never even thought about this until you guys brought it up, but it's quite interesting. I find that non-slavic speakers do lump us all together in one basket, but please be reminded that here, we are not as aware of European history/politics/etc... so maybe that is why. What I most often hear (from our beloved non-slavic speaking buddies at home) is "oh you slavic people are all like this or that". And there are stereotypes, now that I think about it. But I think in my own personal experience, it just so happened that we all got together like that....we have many friends from all other ethnicities, so don't get me wrong, we are not segregating ourselves here On a side note, I've always had Polish girlfriends...always very close to me and dear... I am like a magnet for Polish girls, I never understood why... but there is an attraction there...I don't know Must be my flamboyant personality In any case, I just want to say that in general, my cirlce of friends has grown because we look at the things we have in common, rather than the things which separate us from the rest. You know what I mean? It must be very different in Europe. I would like to hear how it is from a European perspective...so far the only one I have is based onthe movie "L'Auberge Espagnole"...which is for some, a romantic way of looking at things....
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 6, 2005 15:31:51 GMT -5
It must be very different in Europe. I would like to hear how it is from a European perspective...so far the only one I have is based onthe movie "L'Auberge Espagnole"...which is for some, a romantic way of looking at things.... Well, in Europe, except in very big cities, there is almost no mixing of etnicities, or at least not comparable to North America. Then most European countries received substantial migration only very recently. I'm talking about the EU countries, as I don't think there is migration at all in the Eastern countries (you may have instead some Russian presence in non Russian countries due to the Russification process of the USSR era). Where immigration is very recent as in Italy there is almost no mixing yet. Every ethnicity is a world of its own (but this is a pattern of all migration, it takes time to blend). Plus Europeans are less prone to move than Americans. They mostly study work and marry in the same city where they are born, and their parents are born. so they don't mix much even within their own fellows citizens. Probably in UK where migration is much older (and it is home to 500.000,00 Indans and Pakis, I think) things are different. However, back on topic, as far as I could notice Slav speaking immigrants are lumped in a group by the host population (Italians in my case) but actually do not mix togheter at all.
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Post by Circe on Jun 6, 2005 15:48:22 GMT -5
However, back on topic, as far as I could notice Slav speaking immigrants are lumped in a group by the host population (Italians in my case) but actually do not mix togheter at all. Maybe it's because they're closer to home and still quite aware and more attuned to the differences between them than to similarities? My experience is that farther from home you are, more sensitive you get to the similarities which you normally didn't notice at all, such as language, belonging to the same religion, region, or group in any sense... (I was thinking about giving a concrete example now, but I'll refrain as it doesn't have anything to do with Slavs... )
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Post by nockwasright on Jun 6, 2005 15:57:36 GMT -5
However, back on topic, as far as I could notice Slav speaking immigrants are lumped in a group by the host population (Italians in my case) but actually do not mix togheter at all. Maybe it's because they're closer to home and still quite aware and more attuned to the differences between them than to similarities? Maybe, but I think the most important factor here is the fact that immigration is very recent. Few years. So at the very beginnings the immigrants stick very closely with their own closer kind. It happened in USA too. And in Australia. Askhenazi didn't want to mix with Sephardies. Northern Italians with Southern Italians. Chinese of different areas of China had no relationship at all within each other. It's the most obvious thing to do, in a new and alien environment. On the other hand their faces and accent look similar to the host population, who is not yet aware of their differences, also because they are newly arrived. So I think the situation will find a new balance with time.
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Post by mike2 on Jun 6, 2005 18:22:14 GMT -5
I would assume West Slavs like Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, and Wends to be closer to the original Danubian and/or Neo-Danubian Slavic type of Galicia than the South Slavs and East Slavs. East Slavs like Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians really never struck me as being very different from the West Slavs, at least morphologically. Though they apparently have some Viking connections (though how much Varangian blood, I do not know). They also have had more contact with Ladogan/Uralic types, rendering an even stronger Neo-Danubian character to the East Slavs.
It is my opinion that South Slavs like Bulgarians, Serbians, Croatians, and Slovenes are mostly Slavicized Thraco-Illyrians. One can come to the conclusion that South Slavs are different from the others just by looking at the predominant physical type of the region: the Dinaric. South Slav territory is definitely not Neo-Danubian. The Bulgarians also have Cuman Turkish ancestry, though once again I don't know if it is significant.
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Post by Lada on Jun 7, 2005 4:07:09 GMT -5
In my opinion, Slovaks feel really close to Czeks and Poles, especially people in abroad. We are not in contact with Serbs because of geography, but when Slovak talk to Serb and to German, he feels closer to Serb- also because of similar language. Maybe people living in Bratislava can feel close to Germans, but not closer than to another Slavic people,especially to Czeks. The nations that used to live in Austro-Hungarian Empire have common history, culture. Slovaks had and all the time have many contacts with Germans and Hungarians, but it doesnt make them feel closer to these nations, maybe because of the fact, that in Austro-Hungarian Empire their mutual relations wasnt very sweet. Relations with Hungarians are still more reserved.
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