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Post by buddyrydell on Sept 11, 2004 16:27:57 GMT -5
This is a thread with people talking about the alleged multiracial character of Sicilians. Some of the people posting are Sicilians who talk of Sicilians not being fully "white," with Arab and African blood. Needless to say, my being half Sicilian made me interested in the thread. Some of the Sicilians claim that their thick, dark hair, "olive" complexions and broad noses lead some to believe that they are Puerto Rican or light-skinned blacks. Btw some of these same people who claim to be mistaken for Puerto Rican or "Hispanic" have green eyes, without realizing that many Hispanics are white and vary in types from Mediterranean white to a mixture of Native American/European to mixed sub-Saharan African/European. Not to sound bigoted or racist, but I think that people are rather misled on Sicilians and other southern Europeans, and I personally have always considered myself as a white Caucasoid, but why do some of my fellow Sicilians not think the same way? I bet that their descriptions of themselves are rather exaggerated, and if I saw pics of the people claiming that they are not seen as white, I would probably not find them to be so different from myself or my relatives. I also have "thick" dark brown, nearly black hair, with a rather "large" nose and "fuller" lips, coupled with green eyes and a medium light complexion that can tan. Nobody sees me as non-Caucasoid, but some (even on this forum) commented that I look somewhat Turkish or Jewish (Armenoid), which is still within the Caucasoid range. I think too many people are bent on northern European conceptions of whiteness, especially here in America. I know it seems that me and others are beating a dead horse with this topic, but I just don't see what's so Arabic or even less so, sub-Saharan African, about Sicilians. Of course every ethnic group has people who are atypical of their group and are either ligher or darker than the average, with Sicilians being no exception, and I do acknowledge that some Sicilians have some Arabic ancestry (possibly myself included), but the average Sicilian is really not that dark (and doesn't look North African Arab/Middle Eastern or Latin American). Read some of these posts and post your reactions if you wouldn't mind: www.multiracial.com/archives/000677.html
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Post by It-Alien on Sept 11, 2004 19:25:43 GMT -5
Why are American Sicilians so stupid ? The anglo-nordic propaganda has done a good job brainwashing them;D ... It's sad to see them try fit in with the mixed folks LOL!
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Post by Melnorme on Sept 11, 2004 19:30:31 GMT -5
Greco-Roman = Racial Reality ( almost certainly )
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Post by It-Alien on Sept 11, 2004 19:33:48 GMT -5
am 100% Sicilian and people always come up to me asking me if I'm Arabic! I'm darker than the average person, I don't burn in the sun, and my hair is really dark, thick and wavy. I've gotten so many people speaking in foreign languages to me. Urdi, Hindi, Arabic, Spanish, you name it. On a side note, a lot of people don't realize Sicilians tend to separate themselves from the other Italians. We are a whole different island with people who look, think, have different views on life, and act differently. Although, Sicilians can come in a variety of colors! My great great grandmother was blonde and blue eyed, but she had wonderful, wonderful tan skin like the rest of my family. Sicilian is actually a language far different than Italian! Assa binidica a tutti. Posted by: Audra Di Falco at August 5, 2004 01:55 PM Audra posts at my MB, she thinks she's a mulatto lol! Sicilian dialect is not so different (still romance). Maltese is what i call different (almost arabic).
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Post by buddyrydell on Sept 11, 2004 20:28:14 GMT -5
Why are American Sicilians so stupid ? The anglo-nordic propaganda has done a good job brainwashing them;D ... It's sad to see them try fit in with the mixed folks LOL! LOL I hope you weren't talking about me. I was posting this because I was in disbelief at how people could think that you can't distinguish between Sicilians and i.e., Puerto Ricans, Arabs, people of mixed race, etc. I mean, the people posted on Racial Reality look entirely European to me. As for that girl, Audra, I think she's run into some really stupid people. I know of many WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants and others of northern European descent for those of you who don't know or aren't American), who think that Sicilians are all part Arab or part sub-Saharan. Again, I reiterate that some Arabic admixture is possible as I am a realist, but the Arabs who intermarried into the predominantly Greco-Roman population were Caucasoids. Modern North Africans as a whole generally have some sub-Saharan admixture to go along with the mostly Arab/Berber blood, this is a fact. This is where people tend to mix historical fact with legend. Mr. Catozzo I'm glad you responded to this thread as you would know firsthand as to what I am talking about. It's so frustrating to witness the ignorance of some people who have probably never even seen a real Sicilian or southern European for that matter. Educated people always think I look like a typical southern European and I'm not that dark, it's just my hair that's really dark (which is how it is for most Sicilians). Especially weird was the guy from Philadelphia who moved to the American South, where the people are mostly of old British/German descent, especially British though. He commented on how people there thought he was a Creole or light-skinned African-American. Well guess what, many white southerners are still stuck in the old racial purity laws and due to the fact that most southern whites are of British descent, they're not used to seeing people of Mediterranean descent in many areas there. So keeping that in mind, if you are a Sicilian visiting the South, as silly as it sounds, the fact that you have dark hair and a not-so-excessively pale complexion, some people might take that as a sign of Native American or African-American admixture.
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Post by It-Alien on Sept 12, 2004 2:37:53 GMT -5
LOL I hope you weren't talking about me. I was posting this because I was in disbelief at how people could think that you can't distinguish between Sicilians and i.e., Puerto Ricans, Arabs, people of mixed race, etc. I mean, the people posted on Racial Reality look entirely European to me. No i did not mean you but i've noticed (at least on the internet) that a lot of Australian/American Sicilians/Southern Italians descendants are misinformed. A lot of people find it cool to be labelled mixed raced of part african...
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Post by buddyrydell on Sept 13, 2004 12:15:10 GMT -5
There are even those who try to say Al Pacino is not white, with "Semitic" features. Not only is Semitic not a racial group, but instead is linguistic, and most people who speak Semitic languages are Caucasoids anyway . On a side note, I think Pacino is more Greek than Near Eastern in appearance. He's a good example of a typical Sicilian.
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Post by It-Alien on Sept 13, 2004 13:24:21 GMT -5
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Post by buddyrydell on Sept 13, 2004 15:41:31 GMT -5
LOL, and Mr. Catozzo, the best part about it is that I think all of those people strike me as characteristically Sicilian. The guy's features are very Sicilian I think. Strong Dinaric/Med profile.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Sept 16, 2004 9:46:12 GMT -5
Sometimes sure it can happen where someone would think that an italian was Hispanic cause of the dark complexion issue.But that harmless.No self-Repecting Italian is gonna be posing as a hispanic or mulatto in real life,lol..Doest Happen.
<<Why are American Sicilians so stupid ? The anglo-nordic propaganda has done a good job brainwashing them ...
It's sad to see them try fit in with the mixed folks LOL!>>
I know your post was partly posted in jest,but its unfair & wrong to make a broad comment like that...
1)your going by what these people say on the "Internet" and making it out to mean the entire or large portion of Sicilian-American feel this way. 2)These people are claiming to be Sicilian?doest mean they are! 3)Their are always going to be the misinformed,no matter the racial make-up. 4)Hollywood and the media do indeed do have the nasty habbit of inflating racial stereotypes espeacially for Italian-American's,they been doing this for long long time.Sadly some people believe what they see in the movies.
I did notice that some Purto-Rican's of the more Spanish variety claim they are italian's,or play up on people thinking/assuming they are italian's because of their fine features and dark complextion ect,the stereotypical look of an Italian.
I had people think I was German or Irish or even Russian because i dont look "Italian" or more accurtatly in my case a "Sicilian",though they said i walk like like an Italian...See most of this nonsence comes from ignorance,stereotypical images that people have in their minds and say your supposed to look and act like.
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Post by jojocircus on Sept 16, 2004 22:59:15 GMT -5
I can relate to a couple of you. I am 1/4 sicilian and 1/4 italian. Just by chance I received the dark coloration. My skin is olive, my hair is very thick and dark and my eyes are almost black. All my life I've been mistaken for being "mixed" with something or foreign even though I'm a fourth generation American. As a teenager I didn't want to hang out with the Hispanics because I felt I didn't have much in common with them culturally. On the other hand, the caucasion students saw me as different (this is in Texas,virginia, michigan). One dark Jewish guy told me I was cute, but "ethnic" (as if he wasn't!). Anyway, eventually I discovered that looking like the "other" is great because people from all sorts of different countries have gravitated to me. I know about so many different cultures because my foreign looks attract foreigners. And I've also discovered that I inherited a very Italian look. On the VERY rare occasion that I've been in contact with southern Italians they look at me immediately and ask if I'm Italian. But this is not true for Northern Italians. One girl from Milan asked if I was Puerto Rican .
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Post by geirr on Sept 17, 2004 2:17:44 GMT -5
I am 1/4 sicilian and 1/4 italian. you're actually half Italian.
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Post by Dobermann on Oct 11, 2004 21:21:09 GMT -5
am 100% Sicilian and people always come up to me asking me if I'm Arabic! I'm darker than the average person, I don't burn in the sun, and my hair is really dark, thick and wavy. I've gotten so many people speaking in foreign languages to me. Urdi, Hindi, Arabic, Spanish, you name it. On a side note, a lot of people don't realize Sicilians tend to separate themselves from the other Italians. We are a whole different island with people who look, think, have different views on life, and act differently. Although, Sicilians can come in a variety of colors! My great great grandmother was blonde and blue eyed, but she had wonderful, wonderful tan skin like the rest of my family. Sicilian is actually a language far different than Italian! Assa binidica a tutti. Posted by: Audra Di Falco at August 5, 2004 01:55 PM Sicillians and southern Italians are seen as somehow "arab" crosses by some racist northen Italians,I remember my northen Italian nona talking about sicillians as lazy dark and arabic BTW my fathers syrian so im not anti-arabic or sicillian :-) iv'e met a few northen italian's who call southern italians "niggers" which is ridiculous.I think sicillians have some arab blood but so what!?? you are still white/europeans and have a fantastic culture/country :-) it's only arsehole nordicists and medd's who are ashamed to be medd' that would dare call a siccilian or southern italian non white. Also as I recall the Sicillian dialect has some arabic also if I remember correctly the maltese language does. Audra posts at my MB, she thinks she's a mulatto lol! Sicilian dialect is not so different (still romance). Maltese is what i call different (almost arabic).
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Post by Faelcind on Oct 11, 2004 21:42:35 GMT -5
Why are American Sicilians so stupid ? The anglo-nordic propaganda has done a good job brainwashing them;D ... It's sad to see them try fit in with the mixed folks LOL! Why is that sad who cares. Sicilians almost certainly have more sub-saharan genetics then norwegians purely from gene flow. Theres nothing wrong with it. I don't know I don't want to assume but that sounded pretty racsist to me.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Oct 11, 2004 22:12:51 GMT -5
Why is that sad who cares. Sicilians almost certainly have more sub-saharan genetics then norwegians purely from gene flow. Theres nothing wrong with it. I don't know I don't want to assume but that sounded pretty racsist to me. Of cause their isnt anything wrong with it,because it doesnt exist...Clearly your not very well informed.Sicilians have NO Sub-Saharan genetic's.Get up-to-date. The English have 1% Negroid DNA,thats a fact.They are the ones,not Sicilians. Norwegians arent that pure themselves. .
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