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Post by galvez on Jun 18, 2004 16:10:39 GMT -5
While the official number of interracial marriages is fairly low, many children are born out-of-wedlock and many who have significant non-European admixture count themselves as "White." We are now approaching the 31st year of the Loving decision and views on interracial marriage have improved. In 1991 a Gallop Poll found that, for the first time, more people in the United States approved of interracial marriages (48%) than disapproved (42%).6 Also the number of interracially married couples in the United States has gone from 150,000 couples in 1970 to 1.1 million in 1994 and the number of children born out of interracial marriages jumped from 460,300 in 1970 to 1.9 million in 1994. Furthermore, a Gallop Poll indicates acceptance for interracial marriages is growing. Sixty-one percent of White Americans are more likely to approve of such marriages today, compared to 4% in 1958.8 In addition, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, one in fifty marriages are interracial which is four times the number compared to 1970.Source: academic.udayton.edu/race/04needs/s98alouis.htm
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Post by Graeme on Jun 19, 2004 11:12:03 GMT -5
In Australia the number of white men with mongolian spouses, mainly Chinese from different asian source countries, is high enough to be noticable. Also it is common to see white men pushing perambulators with distinctly mongoloid babies as passengers. It actually makes me shudder to look at them. It is a fact that a lot of caucasian men find mongoloid women attractive. I don't understand it myself, but sexual attraction is not a rational process. I would think the converse is true, that mongoloid women are attracted to caucasoid men. As to what the mixed offspring of these unions think of themselves, I have no idea. I know I do not consider them white or want them in my family.
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Post by tokenguy on Mar 16, 2005 14:02:31 GMT -5
I really don't see what the big deal is, first of all science has already proven that "race" is a figurative cultural term that has no scientific merit. That fact that a person can be considered one race in one country and another race in another country proves this. If you've got a problem with "race mixing" then stick with your own "kind," but if someone wants to "mix" well then it should be their own choice. Its just a matter of respecting everyones right to make desicions about thier PRIVATE and PERSONAL lives, and let us not forget that it wasn't all too long ago the a british white person would have been just as upset if their daughter brought home an "irishman" (particularly one who has come from a penal colonies down under) as they would had if she brought home say an indian. Today we would find that type of thinking obsured but a generation or two ago those ideals were excepted as the norm, proving that our prejudices are purely cultural. Even if the whole world mixes and everyones a mutt (which we already are since mankind has always mixed- history didn't start during the colonial period, the Roman empire facilitated a lot of miscegenation) there will still be people who try to find ways to discriminate.
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Post by jojoscircus on Mar 16, 2005 14:54:42 GMT -5
In Australia the number of white men with mongolian spouses, mainly Chinese from different asian source countries, is high enough to be noticable. Also it is common to see white men pushing perambulators with distinctly mongoloid babies as passengers. It actually makes me shudder to look at them. It is a fact that a lot of caucasian men find mongoloid women attractive. I don't understand it myself, but sexual attraction is not a rational process. I would think the converse is true, that mongoloid women are attracted to caucasoid men. As to what the mixed offspring of these unions think of themselves, I have no idea. I know I do not consider them white or want them in my family. Your view sounds really backwards to me, but I guess you are used to hearing that. The only thing that I have against the caucasian men who love Asian women is that they tend to be very prejudiced against caucasian women (of course they would deny this). Occasionally I'll run into a man who doesn't look me in the eye or seem kind. Then when I see his wife/girlfriend she is Asian. This makes me think that there is almost a dislike/hatred towards caucasian women (for what reasons I don't know). However, this doesn't affect who they identify with or befriend. The caucasian men have white friends and a white family.
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Post by eufrenio on Mar 16, 2005 15:04:31 GMT -5
Your view sounds really backwards to me, but I guess you are used to hearing that. The only thing that I have against the caucasian men who love Asian women is that they tend to be very prejudiced against caucasian women (of course they would deny this). Occasionally I'll run into a man who doesn't look me in the eye or seem kind. Then when I see his wife/girlfriend she is Asian. This makes me think that there is almost a dislike/hatred towards caucasian women (for what reasons I don't know). However, this doesn't affect who they identify with or befriend. The caucasian men have white friends and a white family. You´re talking about the www.americanwomensuck.com/ crowd! ;D
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Post by nordicyouth on Mar 16, 2005 16:29:39 GMT -5
Actually, in Asian female/White male couples it is the former that is driving the relationship. Where I live, they've done studies and interviews, the the Asian females admit to dating only White males, while those White males they end up with have dated people of all different backgrounds i.e. the Asian female is snatching up the open-minded White male.
Why? Apparently they claim that it is an attempt to escape what they perceive to be a 'traditional' lifestyle with an Asian man, who would treat them as second-class citizens, etc. Also, Asian men are generally very upset about this trend, but in many cases the AF/WM phenomenon overshadows all other combinations of interracial or inter-subracial couplings.
Moreover, the Asian females often pick White males that are not only aesthetically pleasing, but 'appear' to be headed towards financial success - something very important to Asians esp. those from Hong Kong. Essentially, the good-looking nice White guy in university that White girls are passing up for bad-boy loser drop-outs can find solace in the fact that they can get an Asian girl who's far less complicated and ball-busting - that is, until they're married and he doesn't make partner. ;D
Some of you may disagree with me, but I live in a city INUNDATED by Asians (esp. Hong Kongers), and I can assure you that observation on the ground and the facts point to these conclusions.
As usual, the non-White partner is the driving force...White people need to get behind the wheel...
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Post by eufrenio on Mar 17, 2005 18:15:32 GMT -5
Don´t you think, Auctoritas, that the main cause of declining White birth-rates is feminism? First, by encouraging women to pursue careers instead of having babies, and secondly by making them revolt against paternal authority. What better way to pervert said authority than marrying and breeding outside your in-group?
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Post by nordicyouth on Mar 18, 2005 4:22:09 GMT -5
Certainly, the White partner often exhibits a form of righteousness and snobbery while engaging in interracialism and/or miscegenation.
Usually, the White partner, be it a female with a Black male, or a male with an Asian female, believes that they can assert control over the nature and direction of the said relationship. Unfortunately, it is not until that union is cemented that the White partner realizes that they are in fact not the engine, but the caboose e.g. a White man nagged to the point of suicide by his Asian wife when he makes the slightest financial error, or a White woman seeing her Black or Brown husband use coercion against her to maintain his 'trophy'.
It is the latter situation that Nicole Brown encountered - due to Simpson's inferiority complex he acted out of fear to possess a blonde White female, she acted out of fear to evade his violence, and he completed the vicious circle by acting out of fear to prevent her from escaping his possession - hence the grisly red smile inflicted on her throat.
A relationship based whole or partly on deceit and fear will eventually collapse, even as a small component it will take over all other facets of selection. Why is this fear-factor more important than others? Because phenotype is forever, the non-White partner must see it everyday and realize that possession of a White does not constitute possession of the coveted White phenotype.
The Whites in these relationships believe they're in charge; rather it is an illusion maintained by the non-White during the courtship period. Beware...
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Post by quartermetis on Mar 18, 2005 10:00:10 GMT -5
There are too many generalizations here, sure there are interracl couples that have difficult times dealing with the pressures of cultural differences, however there are also couples that have been married for years raised healthy, productive children and are still enjoying their interracial lives together. Unfortunately its the rotten apples that get all the attention. Just like every white male in Montana isn't a inbred serial killer, or every black male in Compton isn't a violent gangster, or every Latino isn't an illegal immigrant, or every Asian male isn't an asexual computer nerd...just because the media chooses to play on these stereotypes, we as "intellegent" people should be hip to the game by now and realize that these are generaliztions and stop feeding into them!
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Post by jojoscircus on Mar 18, 2005 18:09:50 GMT -5
Certainly, the White partner often exhibits a form of righteousness and snobbery while engaging in interracialism and/or miscegenation. Usually, the White partner, be it a female with a Black male, or a male with an Asian female, believes that they can assert control over the nature and direction of the said relationship. Unfortunately, it is not until that union is cemented that the White partner realizes that they are in fact not the engine, but the caboose e.g. a White man nagged to the point of suicide by his Asian wife when he makes the slightest financial error, or a White woman seeing her Black or Brown husband use coercion against her to maintain his 'trophy'. It is the latter situation that Nicole Brown encountered - due to Simpson's inferiority complex he acted out of fear to possess a blonde White female, she acted out of fear to evade his violence, and he completed the vicious circle by acting out of fear to prevent her from escaping his possession - hence the grisly red smile inflicted on her throat. A relationship based whole or partly on deceit and fear will eventually collapse, even as a small component it will take over all other facets of selection. Why is this fear-factor more important than others? Because phenotype is forever, the non-White partner must see it everyday and realize that possession of a White does not constitute possession of the coveted White phenotype. The Whites in these relationships believe they're in charge; rather it is an illusion maintained by the non-White during the courtship period. Beware... I bet you are attracted to Asian women. You are like the closet homosexual who intellectualizes why some men prefer men while secretly harbouring an attraction. This closet homosexual, of course, appears to be the most homophobic.
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Post by nordicyouth on Mar 18, 2005 18:10:50 GMT -5
Then who created these generalizations? There are, after all, some germs of truth in stereotypes, esp. ethnic ones...
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Post by ramsharma on Mar 18, 2005 18:18:26 GMT -5
Actually, I'll have to agree with A.U.C.T.O.R.I.C.T.A.S. While my approach is not scientific, I have read profiles of many Asian females on Yahoo Personals. Almost 90% seemed to exclusively date White men. I noticed this trend among Hispanics also. While black male/white female relationship seemed to have created some sort of hysteria among WN's, most of the profiles I checked didn't show black male proclivity for Whites only. Black males seemed to prefer ethnicities of all types. Many White women seemed to prefer White men. Many of them were also okay with interracial dating.
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Post by quartermetis on Mar 19, 2005 0:04:06 GMT -5
Then who created these generalizations? There are, after all, some germs of truth in stereotypes, esp. ethnic ones... It to easy to mase theories off of these generaliztions, I can't understand whats the harm in recognizing and discussing the fact that there are those to contradict these stereotypes, Everyone goes with the status quo. Geniuses often go against the grain.
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Post by Anima Eternae on Mar 19, 2005 0:29:21 GMT -5
Stereotypes are usually all rooted in truth....
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Post by KLI on Mar 19, 2005 0:34:30 GMT -5
Stereotypes are usually all rooted in truth.... I guess ... Edited. This thread became a personal flame war. Opinions must be expressed in a more mutually respectful manner.
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