Why Worry (paranoia is tempting)?

[nordicyouth]

I hear lots of theories about how the White race (esp. the Nordic) will disappear or be mixed into a big brown (or honey brown) race...But obviously there are 'Nordic' people in this discussion group and around the world that are concerned about this, so what is there to worry about? Europeans are heavily nationalistic and aren't running into the arms of refugees to make half-breeds, and certainly White Americans are among the most prejudiced. On paper there seems to be a problem, but with AIDS this may disappear in any event. I don't like paranoia-mongers going on about how only they know the future of the White race and everyone else is forgetting themselves. Whether White culture or ideas is suppressed or not, many people are quite aware of what's going on and don't need to join a supremacist group to ensure continuation.

[Melnorme]

I think Americans are afraid of losing their southern States to Mexican hordes. Europeans are afraid of losing their large cities to violent Muslims with insane birthrates.

You're basically right about the 'mixing' part, though.

[alex221166]

I have recently realised that both the extreme right and the extreme left parties are quite useful as social barometers. I would hate to see any of the two forming a cabinet, but the truth is that they tend to be accurate in some of their predictions. As an example, most of Europe was shocked when Pim Fortuyn's party got so many votes and accused it of being extreme-right (which is probably not far from the truth), and yet, most countries are now adopting many of his immigration policies.

The problem with democracy, is that the ordinary politicians don't have the vision nor the courage to take a stand out of fear of being singled out. Just watch the House of Commons in England to see a bunch of sheep shouting "Nay nay nay!!!", and the problem is that it isn't very different anywhere else...

Churchill said something like "Democracy is one of the worst types of government, but it is still the only one that is tolerable".

The worst thing that can happen is for the people to "sleep" while imagining that those in the cabinet will decide for you. That's not how it works. When we disagree with something, we should protest. Recently, a poll said that 75% of the Portuguese didn't want any more immigrants, and we went from accepting 100.000 in one year, to accepting 6.500 in the next (the number was corrected to 8.500).

Furthermore, I am not even against immigration. If it is necessary, it is necessary. What I am against is that a Brazilian (who can easily adapt to our culture) has the same odds to be accepted as a Pakistani or a Chinese. It doesn't make any sense.

I don't fear the destruction of the "white race", at least not in my country as most of our immigrants are of European stock (~80-90% of them). I do fear that some countries in Europe had made the mistake of accepting more people than what they will be able to absorb... Just look at France, Holland or Britain... Even Spain is having problems with the North Africans...

Immigrants? Yes. But immigrants that are willing to adapt and to be absorbed.

[berschneider]

alex said:

Just look at France, Holland or Britain... Even Spain is having problems with the North Africans...

Immigrants? Yes. But immigrants that are willing to adapt and to be absorbed.

I guess voters have to become more racist - I hate it because I am not racist in any way but I see the danger of immigration changing societies’ fabric and ultimately affecting cultures of the host countries. I agree that France, Holland, Britain and to a degree Germany are already approaching the threshold of “losing it.” Voters have to pass some sort of European defense legislature that would restrict emigration to certain areas, newcomers from the USA, Canada, parts of South America, former Soviet Republics with European population are OK while restricting Muslim, Arab and black migration.. I have nothing against Arabs as long as there is no mass migration of them because I don’t want to live in the Middle East. Moderate amounts of multicultural and multiracial migration are good. Deluge is catastrophic. The further step would be repatriation of those from certain undesirable cultures and countries by bribing them. I think they should be paid a compensation for giving up residence which in turn would help them buy property and establish business or whatever in the Middle East or Africa or where they came from. Third step would be alleviating poverty through economic development and conflict resolution. This means that Europe must work out a joint foreign policy and EU must get closer with Russia, Europe’s eastern half, and other interests to confront and neutralize United States which is wrecking havoc all over the place and causing, directly and indirectly, undesirable migration. Throughout the eighties United States financed Muslim militancy and funded mujahedeen movements against Soviet Union and other nonsense. This whole Muslim terrorism business is made in the U.S. of A product. United States engineered break up of Yugoslavia and cooked up Chechen crisis. These two caused massive displacement of people. The mess in the middle East is slowing down development and perpetuating poverty which in turn leads to economic migration. Right now US is using new NATO members to sabotage common EU foreign policy. American Trojan horses should not be tolerated. Lastly, EU nations should increase their own population growth through natural increase in births rates and not migration.

[Melnorme]

You make good points berschneider, but I'd just like to point out that most Arab immigrants in Europe are from North Africa, which isn't really affected by the problems of the Middle East.

[berschneider]

Melnorme said:

You make good points berschneider, but I'd just like to point out that most Arab immigrants in Europe are from North Africa, which isn't really affected by the problems of the Middle East.

the entire Middle East is affected by problems in the Middle East and not just areas where the Evil Empire finds itself physically on rampage. This kind of "disturbances" affect investment, capital flows, credit ratings, employment and many other things throughout the region. If you look at Germany, then Russian Federation nationals (Chechens and other Muslims), Turks (Kurds), former Yugoslav nationals, and Iraqis were the top four groups which tried to get refugee status in Germany last year. I think these were the largest refugee groups in the world (according to the UN in the year 2003). All four conflicts, including the one in Turkey, were either directly caused or kept on the low burner but the United States and you know who.

[darksphere]

I used to be very concerned about racemixing causing the extinction of some of the more recessive traits and thus also some racial groups as we know them.

I've done some math on this however and it seems to me that it would take a LOT of racemixing to make Nordic people or any other racial group for that matter die out.
So i'm not so concerned about mixed marriages anymore.

I'm still convinced though that racemixing combined with other factors such as low birthrates can destroy a racial group. And birthtates in Europe are low...

So i still believe that many European racial types are threatened but not by miscegenation so much as by a desperate lack of babies.

[Volksdeutscher]

Such recessive traits as blond hair and blue eyes would decline if we had large-scale mixing between pronounced Mediterranids and Nordids.

Otherwise it is not much of a concern as the majority of people marry someone in their own surrounding. They may interact with others but rarely do they marry each other.

Rural Europe is still the same. Globalism affect the big cities and sometimes only the capitals.

Americans are definitely more conservative and religious.

[ramsharma]

It's just paranoia, really. People have been changing for ages...so why does it matter what people in the future look like? Rather think more about the present than ponder about what's going to happen in the future, no?

[dehook]

ramsharma - I couldn't agree more. People should just worry about their own lives and what's happening on their own block before they start interfering with others.

Like NORDICyouth, I also agree that there isn't really anything to worry about in terms of racial survival. The classic "save the white race" theory is normally used by nasty racists as a tool for recruiting members (this is probably sort of a "secret" - because it probably works). The problem with the theory is that of course you have to first define what the "white" race is. Anyone with half a brain will know that race does exist, but it's not a black/white issue. But without getting into the discussion of what race "is" (don't want to get sidetracked here), I'd say that the "white" race and all its sub groups are not going to disappear naturally. Races have been coming together and splitting apart since the beginning of time, and I can't see nordics or the like vanishing now. Most people think that interracial relationships are on the huge increase, but they're not really. Black and white marriages aren't really any more common than they have been at any point in history (European Royal women seemed to have a special interest in a certain part of the negroe anatomy). The last study I read on interracial marriages in America showed that 99.9% (?) of non-hispanic whites were married to non-hispanic whites (maybe somebody could find the statistics?). Yeah, Americans seem to be the most conservative, despite their racial make-up. Strange.

I think that even if people do want to marry outside their race, it's their own choice, regardless of what anyone else thinks. There are so many contradictions in white nationalists. eg, they say it is unnatural to mix races, on the other hand, Jewish propaganda and the like is to blame for race mixing.

All in all, like nordicyouth says, you don't have to be a supremacist just to have a racial conscious.