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Post by alex221166 on Dec 15, 2003 21:42:29 GMT -5
I just saw a program about immigration in Portugal, and I found out that there are now 450.000 legalised immigrants in Portugal (the real number is probably around 100.000-200.000 larger). 450.000 represents ~4,5% of the Portuguese population.
What would be in your opinion a reasonable % of immigrants in a given population?
Portugal never had many immigrants, and it is somewhat of a shock to find out that 5% of our population is not native. Furthermore, most of them arrived in the last 5 years.
In my opinion, if their numbers continue to increase, their own integration in the Portuguese society will be harder.
Most of these immigrants are eastern Europeans, and they have a pretty good reputation for being honest, educated and hardworking.
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Post by galvez on Dec 17, 2003 18:40:38 GMT -5
I just saw a program about immigration in Portugal, and I found out that there are now 450.000 legalised immigrants in Portugal (the real number is probably around 100.000-200.000 larger). 450.000 represents ~4,5% of the Portuguese population. What would be in your opinion a reasonable % of immigrants in a given population? Portugal never had many immigrants, and it is somewhat of a shock to find out that 5% of our population is not native. Furthermore, most of them arrived in the last 5 years. In my opinion, if their numbers continue to increase, their own integration in the Portuguese society will be harder. Most of these immigrants are eastern Europeans, and they have a pretty good reputation for being honest, educated and hardworking. I don't have a problem with Eastern Europeans finding refuge in Iberia, so long as the flow is controlled and allows them to integrate -- that is to say, if millions started flooding into Spain and Portugal, then there would be a problem. Eastern Europeans are assimilable because they are hard-working and have high IQs. As far as other peoples I think are assimilable in Iberia -- some groups from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and some Berbers. I do have a bias against the Arabs, because they tend to stick to their cultures and are too racially distinct from Mediterranean Iberians to really benefit the peninsula. I don't think Northern European immigration is an issue in Iberia though -- mainly it's rich folks who buy property for vacationing and leisure. Basically, I am less hostile to European immigration because Europeans outside the peninsula are less likely to undermine the Iberian phenotype and character. |
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Post by herrx on Dec 18, 2003 14:49:23 GMT -5
I just saw a program about immigration in Portugal, and I found out that there are now 450.000 legalised immigrants in Portugal (the real number is probably around 100.000-200.000 larger). 450.000 represents ~4,5% of the Portuguese population. What would be in your opinion a reasonable % of immigrants in a given population? Portugal never had many immigrants, and it is somewhat of a shock to find out that 5% of our population is not native. Furthermore, most of them arrived in the last 5 years. In my opinion, if their numbers continue to increase, their own integration in the Portuguese society will be harder. Most of these immigrants are eastern Europeans, and they have a pretty good reputation for being honest, educated and hardworking. how many of these immigrants are "Tupiniquins"? |
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 18, 2003 16:49:34 GMT -5
how many of these immigrants are "Tupiniquins"? Brazilians? About 100.000 legalised immigrants. Brazilians are the ones that have it easier in Portugal. They speak the language, and they are usually friendly. The Brazilian community is the fastest growing community of the lot, I believe. There are at least twice as many Ukrainians (not to mention the Romanians, Russians and Moldovans, all make another 100.000). The Africans from the former colonies number around 10%-15% of the 450.000 mentioned. |
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Post by Artemidoros on Dec 18, 2003 19:19:20 GMT -5
I just saw a program about immigration in Portugal, and I found out that there are now 450.000 legalised immigrants in Portugal (the real number is probably around 100.000-200.000 larger). 450.000 represents ~4,5% of the Portuguese population. What would be in your opinion a reasonable % of immigrants in a given population? Portugal never had many immigrants, and it is somewhat of a shock to find out that 5% of our population is not native. Furthermore, most of them arrived in the last 5 years. In my opinion, if their numbers continue to increase, their own integration in the Portuguese society will be harder. Most of these immigrants are eastern Europeans, and they have a pretty good reputation for being honest, educated and hardworking. In Greece there is an estimated 1,000,000 immigrants, more than half of them illegal. Their number approaches 10% of the population and all that in just over a decade. The biggest group are the Albanians, some 400,000. That is more than 10% of Albania's population, God knows what percentage of its working population they represent. The rest are mostly Bulgarian, Romanian etc, plus some Africans, Pakistanis and many Kurds. |
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warlord
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Post by warlord on Dec 23, 2003 16:27:24 GMT -5
Immigrants should be allowed only if they have high IQs. Good-looking females should ofcourse be welcomed. ;D
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Post by geirr on Dec 26, 2003 3:05:12 GMT -5
One of the main reasons immigration occurs is not only because the poor want a better standard of living but because the host country needs more people. This may be because of a low or negative birthrate or because of economic factors like in Spain where a larger labour source is needed.
In the new world like in Australia and the americas the countries there were built by migrants whether they were the original settlers or later immigrants. So naturally migrants would find it easier adapt in those countries.
In Europe There is a stronger cultural sensitivity to migrants, particularly migrants from outside of europe. With the exception of Britain, Immigration is about assimilation to the local culture rather than multiculturilism.
Its interesting to note that Denmark which is known for its Humanitarianism and social policies has accepted few migrants where as Britain known for its past imperialism and class society has accepted many. I think both Multiculturism and assimilation have their pros and cons but I don't think one is necessarily better than the other.
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Post by Praetor on Dec 27, 2003 16:47:07 GMT -5
I just saw a program about immigration in Portugal, and I found out that there are now 450.000 legalised immigrants in Portugal (the real number is probably around 100.000-200.000 larger). 450.000 represents ~4,5% of the Portuguese population. What would be in your opinion a reasonable % of immigrants in a given population? Portugal never had many immigrants, and it is somewhat of a shock to find out that 5% of our population is not native. Furthermore, most of them arrived in the last 5 years. In my opinion, if their numbers continue to increase, their own integration in the Portuguese society will be harder. Most of these immigrants are eastern Europeans, and they have a pretty good reputation for being honest, educated and hardworking. Greece in the last 10 years received millions of foreigners.Right now legal and illegal ones must be around 20% of the native population.That is one hell of a culture shock for a country that never experienced anything near this as well. |
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Post by scanderbeg711 on Jun 30, 2005 11:51:39 GMT -5
I do feel bad that Greece is taking such a hit from problems it had nothing to do with. It is a deep deep shock to have such a population serge. It's also bad on part of Albanian govrnment for letting people leave so easily. Entire past villages have dissappeared and all that are left are a bunch of old people. Farms have been completely abondonned as many of these past farmers decided to try their luck in Greek farms. Many do get hired. In turn this is also killing albania's self
sufficient fruit economy is also getting a heavy hit from imports from Greece.
I realy wonder what is going to happen in the future. Now there are also new things being implemented, such as working papers literally being issued in Albania from Greece to get workers. So I can assume that those in need of labor are not all too pissed at this phenomenon.
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