Is Turkey's alledged future entrance to the EU....

[Satyros]

.....a way that European, American, but actually MULTINATIONAL corporations will have the grounds for more inevestments and European countries will have a huge source of cheap labor for the hard jobs?

But no one thinks about the cultural negative impact the Turk will have in Europe, NOT EVEN the current and past Greek governments who PATHETICALLY support Turkey's admission EVEN TOUGH Turkey is still showing signs of possible military agression with daily or at least weekly provocations in Aegean airspace.

Greeks should nt blame all others all the time, when we know that we are ruled by PUPPET politicians and CRETINS...

[lamda]

I don't believe it's cheap labor. That's already been achieved with EU's latest expansion that doesn't include Turkey. If a European, American or multinational corporation wants cheap labor, they can always build a factory in Turkey anyway, EU or no EU.
EU just wants Turkey as a part of it because:
a) Politicians who back this policy will get votes from their muslim population.
b) Turkey is currently under US control (meaning things as oil lines and strategical locations in Turkey). EU wants a piece of the pie.
c) Including Turkey in the EU marks a coming of age: EU finally beginning to transform to what it really wants - the Mediterranean Union (or whatever they want to call that), which will basically include most countries in the Mediterranean including some in N.Africa (yes, I know it sounds absurd to some of you but just mark my words for now).

Of course the cultural impact will be immense as muslim populations are widely known to be of a "non-assimilation" nature, as they tend to form ghettos when they are a minority and be overwhelming when they are the majority. It is more likely for non-muslims to at least get affected by muslims than the other way round. This is known to every single political leader in the EU, but the desire for the three points I mentioned is just immense.
If they decide not to allow Turkey to the EU (I'm aware that many polls in the EU are against it so it would make sense for some or even most of the countries to actually listen to their population), that would be a blow for some. But I believe that would not be an obstable for the med-u. Maybe just a temporary one.

[alex221166]

Most Europeans are against allowing Turkey in the EU. Of course, our governments can't say it out loud because it would ruin diplomatic relations with Turkey, so they have to "support" their bid.

Assuming that ONE single EU country will be allowed to vote about this, our politicians' support is ridiculous and worthless.

Btw, God bless Cyprus for saying out loud what most of us think.

This Frontpage article is quite timely:

www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16155

and is a response to this one

www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16059

Read both of them.

[lamda]

alex said:

Most Europeans are against allowing Turkey in the EU. Of course, our governments can't say it out loud because it would ruin diplomatic relations with Turkey, so they have to "support" their bid.

Assuming that ONE single EU country will be allowed to vote about this, our politicians' support is ridiculous and worthless.

Btw, God bless Cyprus for saying out loud what most of us think.

This Frontpage article is quite timely:

www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16155

and is a response to this one

www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16059

Read both of them.

Does Mustafa Akyol know what he's talking about or is taking history excerpts out of context and trying to twist them is his favorite pastime?

[Satyros]

Actually the Tureky issue is a bit complicated.

We can only testify the obvious parameters to it, but be certain, all of you, many more unseen parameters lurk in the threshold..

Turkey already is in a strategic position. It is an ally of the USA, a strategic ally. So is Greece. Therefore, Greek-Turkish "friendship" and co-existence is supported by the USA. Or is it the other way around??? Because all these guns, the SAME guns that USA sells to Turkey AND Greece, must be used somehow, in order for us both to "order" the newest weapons pack from good ol USA, isnt it so?
Well, Greece is currently starting to buy weapons from Russia too....

Europe and EU. On the West it has Britain a loyal ally of USA. On the East it has Turkey, a not so loyal, but nontheless, a good ally of the USA.
Are these two countries the way USA will try to sabotage Europe and European power? Maybe.


Panturkism, wether one is willing to accept it or not, is still the vision of Turks. That means aggression on ALL fronts. And there are numerous fronts inside and outside Turkey.

Many claim that Turkey is at the brink of dismemberemen due to economic problems and minority conflicts. But i dont really see that happening.

In the spirit of the free market, Turkey may very well be admited to EU. However, an openly pro-Islamic Europe in the future will be a disgrace to us all.....

This issue is practically endless to discuss upon..

[LibLabDog]

Satyros said:

.....a way that European, American, but actually MULTINATIONAL corporations will have the grounds for more inevestments and European countries will have a huge source of cheap labor for the hard jobs?

But no one thinks about the cultural negative impact the Turk will have in Europe, NOT EVEN the current and past Greek governments who PATHETICALLY support Turkey's admission EVEN TOUGH Turkey is still showing signs of possible military agression with daily or at least weekly provocations in Aegean airspace.

Greeks should nt blame all others all the time, when we know that we are ruled by PUPPET politicians and CRETINS...

Am I the only one who read's this guys posts in the Voice of Triumph the Comic talking dog from Conan OBrien?



WE GREEKS SHOULD NOT BLAME ALL OTHERS ALL THE TIME, WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE ARE RULED BY PUPPET POLITICIANS AND CRETINS!!!!! ....for me to poop on!

[Satyros]

LibLabDog said:

Am I the only one who read's this guys posts in the Voice of Triumph the Comic talking dog from Conan OBrien?



WE GREEKS SHOULD NOT BLAME ALL OTHERS ALL THE TIME, WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE ARE RULED BY PUPPET POLITICIANS AND CRETINS!!!!! ....for me to poop on!

Hm, this must be some form of American "humor"?

Did you just make a "joke" or something?

[LibLabDog]

Yeah, he's Triumph the Comic talking Dog. ...Made famous by the Conan Obrien show originally.

www.nbc.com/Late_Night_with_Conan_O'Brien/index.htm

He's a silly puppet who asks some very poignent insulting questions to celebrities.

...As for how American he is, I don't know. He speaks with a Ukrainian accent or something.