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Post by fatman213 on Jun 29, 2004 9:38:14 GMT -5
Here is the US Census Projection of what the American population will look like in 2050; www.census.gov/ipc/www/usinterimproj/natprojtab01a.pdfKeep in the mind the various ASSUMPTIONS. Secondly, here is the University of Texas projections for the population of that state through 2040; txsdc.tamu.edu/Its actually quite unbelievable that Texas is projected to be 60+% "Latino" by the year 2040. Again, keep in mind the ASSUMPTIONS. Finally, UCLA reports that over 50% all ALL births in California are now "Latino"; www.cesla.med.ucla.edu/html/pdf/births.pdfIf this is the case in 2001, imagine 2025? 2050? Anyhow, though I realize this site is mostly used by white ppl, I want to add this; The term "Latino" is really a misnomer. The Latins were a ppl from ITALY--so how can a Mexican mestizo like me be a Latino? Also, the term Hispanic is also a misnomer because , despite Spaniards and Portuguese who claim otherwise, the term Hispanic technically means a person of IBERIAN orgin---not a Mexican mestizo such as myself. The term Hispanic was adopted by the US Census in 1970. And the term Latino, which is used interchangeably with Hispanic, was started after activists agitated for an express link to Latin America--anyhow, the point is, they are terms created by the US Census. I would NOT call myself Hispanic or Latino--but MEXICAN-American.
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Post by fatman213 on Jun 29, 2004 9:44:29 GMT -5
I would just like to add for non Americans that the US Census counts Middle Easterners as White---just as they did until 1970 for "Hispanics"
Secondly, keep in mind that the US Census counts "Hispanics" as white if they indicate thats what best decribes them.
Finally, to get a real feel for how many whites there really are (at least until the US Census separates Middle Easterners from the WHITE column), what you really want to look at is ; NON HISPANIC WHITE
Thats what we would generally consider white.
So, given that this is largely a site for whites--thats what you want to look at; NON HISPANIC WHITE
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Post by AWAR on Jun 29, 2004 10:04:55 GMT -5
Look, without going into deeper explanations... white = caucasoid. Caucasoid peoples are posited in and around Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. THe vast majority of people who's ancestry lays in one of these regions are Caucasoid. Latin was the language of the Roman Empire. It outlived the empire, but was altered through time and various influences and today we have many Latin-derived languages, like Spanish or French, Romanian, Italian etc. Spanish and Portuguese made a significant expansion in the age of discoveries, and so it came to be that most of Central and South America speak Spanish and Portuguese, both Latin-derived languages from south-western Europe. Languages originally spoken by fully Europoid/Caucasoid 'whites' from Europe gradually became the dominant languages in regions populated by Amerindians and Mestizos. It's not the first time such a thing happened, but I think it's stupid to refer to hundreds of millions of people as 'Latinos' and 'Hispanics' even though they have no real bond to Spain and Portugal except for that of language. What's even more idiotic is that somehow Latino and Hispanic became a name for everyone who speaks Portuguese and Spanish, regardless of their race and where they are from. All US Black people speak English language, so, I suggest we start referring to US Blacks as 'Anglos' or 'British' Just to counter the stupidity emanating from US census Fighting fire with fire.
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Post by AWAR on Jun 29, 2004 10:06:20 GMT -5
So, given that this is largely a site for whites--thats what you want to look at; NON HISPANIC WHITE ... anyway, who ever said this was a site for white people???
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Post by geirr on Jun 29, 2004 10:24:37 GMT -5
We spend too much time on this forum duscussing what Americans think. Hispanic comes from the Latin 'Hispania' or as you would say today Spain. The United States government in the 70's adopted the word 'Hispanic' to categorize Latin American immigrants particularly from Mexico and Central America. There are South American countries that are of predominantly European descent so yes, millions of Hispanics in South America are white. As for who and what is white according to the average Estadounidense, that's for them to decide. The word 'Latino' comes from the Spanish 'América Latina'. The Spanish language like Italian and Portuguese are Romance 'Latin' languages hence the name Latin America. 'Latino' is simply Spanish for Latin, Amazing.
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Post by eufrenio on Jun 29, 2004 10:42:06 GMT -5
The word 'Latino' comes from the Spanish 'América Latina'. The Spanish language like Italian and Portuguese are Romance 'Latin' languages hence the name Latin America. 'Latino' is simply Spanish for Latin, Amazing. You forgot to mention that "América Latina" is a Gallicism in Spanish. "Iberoamérica" or "Hispanoamérica" were the terms used until 50 years ago or so throughout the Spanish speaking world, and "América latina" was pretty rare, and still is in Spain.
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Post by fatman213 on Jun 29, 2004 10:52:37 GMT -5
To ANWAR: I don't disagree with you ANWAR. But.................................its not MY fault that Middle Easterners are NOT generally considered white in the USA. Neither is my fault the US Census chose such terms to decribe all ppl south of the USA in the Western Hemisphere. btw, I didn't say it was a forum for white ppl---just that most users appear to be whites. Other than that, I really agree with ANWAR. P.S. Perhaps I should add the general US Census website? That way, anyone interested can surf for whatever data turns them on. www.census.gov/Finally, the population of Mexico was NEVER more than 10% Spanish. Even today, according to the US State Dept www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/1838.htm 30% of Mexicans are pure blooded Indian. And 60% are Mestizo.
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 29, 2004 10:58:02 GMT -5
Some people have a talent for bad jokes.
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Post by AWAR on Jun 29, 2004 10:59:13 GMT -5
To ANWAR: I don't disagree with you ANWAR. But.................................its not MY fault that Middle Easterners are NOT generally considered white in the USA. Neither is my fault the US Census chose such terms to decribe all ppl south of the USA in the Western Hemisphere. btw, I didn't say it was a forum for white ppl---just that most users appear to be whites. Other than that, I really agree with ANWAR. P.S. Perhaps I should add the general US Census website? That way, anyone interested can surf for whatever data turns them on. www.census.gov/Finally, the population of Mexico was NEVER more than 10% Spanish. Even today, according to the US State Dept www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/1838.htm 30% of Mexicans are pure blooded Indian. And 60% are Mestizo. Thanks for calling me ANWAR, I really needed that You can also call me Mr. El Saddat ;D All I'm saying is that only the use of proper racial labels for different races makes any sense. I hope you agree that it's stupid to use the same 'latino/hispanic' racial label for a fully caucasoid guy from Catalonia and a fully Indian guy from Mexico.
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Post by fatman213 on Jun 29, 2004 10:59:39 GMT -5
Why is it a joke? I agree with him for the most part.
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Post by fatman213 on Jun 29, 2004 11:02:47 GMT -5
makes no sense whatsoever----but try convincing the US Census
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 29, 2004 11:09:16 GMT -5
Why is it a joke? I agree with him for the most part. Anwar is an Arabic first name. Awar it is linked with an Ancient Eurasian people in SE Europe. I also see it is an 'evil spirit' spirit in mythology, that tempts men into debauchery. He (A'war) is the son of the devil (Iblis) in Islam.
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Post by Graeme on Jun 30, 2004 7:28:23 GMT -5
What the real joke of America is the fact that the Amerindians are taking over in their Spanish speaking form after being disinherited and pushed into reservations. He who laughs last, laughs best. Yes, I know Mexicans are not USA Indians, but they are North Americans of long lineage in that continent.
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Post by fatman213 on Jun 30, 2004 19:08:20 GMT -5
I suppose the lightning speed of the USA's racial and ethnic composition leads many to think that "Mexicans are taking over". The reality is actually quite different. Consider that on average, "only" 60% of USA "Latinos" are of Mexican orgin. Thus, assuming that percentage stays roughly the same, Mexicans and Mexican-Americans will be 14% (or about 1/7) of the USA by 2050---when the US Census projects that America will be about 25% "Latino". I would hardly call 1/7 of the USA taking over----------and that ASSUMES the census projections pan out. US immigration policies could change. "Latino" fertility could fall----it already is falling. Although I must admit that the declining "Latino" fertility is already factored into the projections------it could fall even more. Also, even here in California, where the population is roughly 32% "Latino"------only 25% of the ppl in California are Mexican or Mexican-American----hardly the stuff of Mexifornia. Anyhow, except for the southwestern USA states, the Mexican and Mexican-American component of the USA population will probably remain RELATIVELY low. Anyhow, what I find very interesting from looking at the US Census international section is that most 3rd worls regions are expected to experience ASTRONOMICAL growth untill about 2050--------when the WHOLE world (according to US Census projections) begins to experience the type of demographics (below replacement birth rates) that we now see in W Europe, Japan, and among the white populations of N America. www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbsum.htmlAnyhow, I haven't got much time----I'll post further links supporting my claims here if anyone asks. P.S. The overwhelming majority of the rest of the USA "Latino" population comes from 3 nationalities----Puerto Rico (which is a US territory and whose ppl are birthright US Citizens), Cuba and the Dominican Republic.
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Post by AWAR on Jun 30, 2004 20:14:50 GMT -5
I suppose the lightning speed of the USA's racial and ethnic composition leads many to think that "Mexicans are taking over". The reality is actually quite different. Consider that on average, "only" 60% of USA "Latinos" are of Mexican orgin. Thus, assuming that percentage stays roughly the same, Mexicans and Mexican-Americans will be 14% (or about 1/7) of the USA by 2050---when the US Census projects that America will be about 25% "Latino". I would hardly call 1/7 of the USA taking over----------and that ASSUMES the census projections pan out. US immigration policies could change. "Latino" fertility could fall----it already is falling. Although I must admit that the declining "Latino" fertility is already factored into the projections------it could fall even more. Also, even here in California, where the population is roughly 32% "Latino"------only 25% of the ppl in California are Mexican or Mexican-American----hardly the stuff of Mexifornia. Anyhow, except for the southwestern USA states, the Mexican and Mexican-American component of the USA population will probably remain RELATIVELY low. Anyhow, what I find very interesting from looking at the US Census international section is that most 3rd worls regions are expected to experience ASTRONOMICAL growth untill about 2050--------when the WHOLE world (according to US Census projections) begins to experience the type of demographics (below replacement birth rates) that we now see in W Europe, Japan, and among the white populations of N America. www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbsum.htmlAnyhow, I haven't got much time----I'll post further links supporting my claims here if anyone asks. P.S. The overwhelming majority of the rest of the USA "Latino" population comes from 3 nationalities----Puerto Rico (which is a US territory and whose ppl are birthright US Citizens), Cuba and the Dominican Republic. Yeah, I bet the Serbian authorities on Kosovo thought the same 90 years ago when Serbs outnumbered Albanians. Then through a couple of wars and some staggering birth-rates, the Albanians took over and chased out ALL the Serbs.
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