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Post by galton on Jan 16, 2006 15:18:22 GMT -5
1. Prove that egypt "fell into decline" as a result of contact with blacks (which is an oxy-moron if you ask me) I never said that and I dare you to quote me that I said it. You can't because you're an incoherent clown who doesn't pay attention to who said what. I merely asked if it is possible for Ancient Egypt to change in character its culture and society over long periods of time due to the changing of the racial character of that society? You obviously can't answer the question, even if it is a hypothetical. 2. Prove that the egyptians were (beyond all doubt) "caucasoids" with a minority of "negroes", with the most credible and up-to-date information available. I haven't made a claim to Ancient Egypt one way or another. That's your inferences running wild high on 40s. I have no control over your inferences. 3.Prove that you've passed high school graduation, or at the very least jr high. ;D 9 (not neccessary but interesting nonetheless) Start your arguments in proper presentation (in whatever order) and we can actually continue the debate. Good day. Do you realise how stupid you sound? I haven't read too many of your posts, but this seems to be one of the more childish remarks you've made in a long line of childish and vacuous repertoire that seems to be a persistent characteristic of your posts in any exchange.
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Post by mmmkay on Jan 16, 2006 15:48:07 GMT -5
Now I see your taking a turn into outright denial of earlier claims. You have no credible information to bring to bear and so instead you turn to outright denial and personal attacks? Tisk , tisk Galton.
Oh really?
If Egypt "changed" as a result of contact with blacks (as you might think) so what? Are you trying to prove this "change" was negative or positive?
What kind of serious question is that? Are you saying that culture changes are the result of race? I'm just trying to get clarification into what exactly you are debating.
It's a silly question if you ask me. As far as I know "culture" is'nt based upon race. Really I get the inclination to believe egypt somehow took a turn for the worse simply as a result of contact with blacks, other than that are you saying it was a positive outcome?
This is what you say now:
Now this is what you said (or rather typed) then:
So if "negroes" did'nt contribute to history, that means egypt is not "negroe" then right?
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Post by galton on Jan 16, 2006 16:14:09 GMT -5
Now I see your taking a turn into outright denial of earlier claims. You have no credible information to bring to bear and so instead you turn to outright denial and personal attacks? Tisk , tisk Galton. Now I see you're turning into out right putting words into my mouth. Go back and reread the entire thread and this time pay attention to what I'm say and not what you want me to say or what you think I'm saying. Think about who started what with what comments and insults. You started off with insults to me about not going to high school or some bullshit like that. Yeah, duh! Are you awake yet? If Egypt "changed" as a result of contact with blacks (as you might think) so what? Are you trying to prove this "change" was negative or positive? I merely asked if Ancient Egypt's culture was changed in character substantially by the influx of alien races over long periods of time. Do you agree with this or not? Otherwise, why go on discussing if negro influence in Egypt was positive or negative? That's a specific example. Certainly, I could ask was Greek influence in Egypt a positive or a negative in the fourth century BC for Egypt. But if your original position that culture is not influenced by an influx of alien races, then what is the purpose of your original question? What kind of serious question is that? Are you saying that culture changes are the result of race? I'm just trying to get clarification into what exactly you are debating. Your previous question made more sense and it showed that you seemed to get it. But now this question or questions seems to show you're in the dark again. This is very frustrating and annoying. It's a silly question if you ask me. As far as I know "culture" is'nt based upon race. Really I get the inclination to believe egypt somehow took a turn for the worse simply as a result of contact with blacks, other than that are you saying it was a positive outcome? This is what you say now: Now this is what you said (or rather typed) then: So if "negroes" did'nt contribute to history, that means egypt is not "negroe" then right? OK, let me put this way. Ancient Egypt is the premiere African civilization regardless of its original racial makeup. We may never know for sure what the real racial character of the population that created Ancient Egypt. We can only speak to the descendents much much later in its history. Ancient Egypt had substantial influence on Western Culture and Society. It is the only "African" civilization that can claim such an assertion. If there are other native African civilizations that can make a claim remotely like that of Ancient Egypt, please list them. I must warn you in advance. I can name the contributions of Ancient Egypt to Western Culture. But what I would like from you is a similar list of African civilizations and their major contributions to the West. I mean real Africans. I don't mean invading muslim arabs spreading the knowledge of ancient Greek texts translated into Arabic.
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Post by Ras-Xafun on Jan 16, 2006 16:51:06 GMT -5
So you think this whole discussion is based on in which degree a specific community both recent and past has influenced the "western culture"? Give me a brake man, what the hell is "western culture"? Do you mean Jazz, rock, blues, hip-hop or maybe metal music?(which I can say west african countries have influenced more than any other region in the world.) haven't all these western european countries their own distinct cultures (with folk dance and other shit) so why you talking about "western culture"? Tell me instead in which degree has "westerners" influnced with their culture the world (besides popular music which is dominated by african- americans)?
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Post by mmmkay on Jan 16, 2006 17:08:27 GMT -5
Galton, this is where this discussion is going: As you can see, nowhere except confusion. Allow me to clear things up, this is what YOU originally said: Nevermind the fact that the statement itself was stupid, your premises was basically that: 1. You are caucasian 2. The ancient egyptians were caucasian 3. Therefore "it has much to do with you" because of the above (as if somehow you have something to do with it). Now you've come out of the blue telling me that I'm "putting words into your mouth" when in fact you are putting (typing) them there yourself. Why the denial? *Still* you have brought absolutely no evidence (not even biased) whatsoever to back up your claims, which is the challenge I presented. If I was black, would I not consider the consistent use of the defunct term "negroe" as an insult? Prior to thread # 10 I have'nt even responded to your posts, yet the use of the word was liberal prior to. Rightly, anyone still using the word "negroe" is subject to being insulted himself and not being considered seriously. Apparently your doing a little tap dance with words, as if you can't just stop at denial. First let us establish if you believe race = culture. Once thats cleared that up we can continue on with the discussion properly. Refering to foreign ethnic groups as "alien races"gives me the inclination you have basically equated race with culture. Egyptian culture has'nt changed solely because of "alien races" but the cultures that those "races" brought. Thats the mainstream view about things atleast. This contrasts sharply with your "egyptians are caucasoids" statement earlier as I pointed out. I have no idea why you have suddenly changed that perspective. In this, we are in agreement, for I have never made any claim stating an otherwise different view. It is important to separate "Western Culture" from "The World" for they are two very different things. In terms of "western culture" we are mostly in agreement, but in terms of "The World", well, might I say we are on two different "worlds" of opinion, as I demonstrated earlier to Eufrenio in pointing out the contributions of the swahili to indian ocean trade, wealth and relations.
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Post by Ras-Xafun on Jan 16, 2006 17:20:36 GMT -5
Btw what do you guys think about these two comparison? Tutmoses and Abdullahi yusuf Both are indeginious northeast Africans.
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Post by Soomaal on Jan 16, 2006 17:32:34 GMT -5
It might have something to do with both of them being like a 1000 years old, Yey is pretty old. lol
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Post by Ras-Xafun on Jan 16, 2006 17:38:43 GMT -5
Lol, you're right Ina Yey is quite old actually very old, but he's still kicking it ;D
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Post by magneto on Jan 16, 2006 17:58:07 GMT -5
The picture illustrates the same thing as the first one I posted.
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Post by gelaye on Jan 16, 2006 18:36:42 GMT -5
yes, but not of germanics migrating to africa 4000 years ago. Germanic is a language, a culture, an ethnicity, not a race. Try to stay relevant to the topic. you know what i meant. somewhere back in the thread was stated that Germanesque nordic folk were around in egypt back in the day.
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Post by Ras-Xafun on Jan 16, 2006 19:20:21 GMT -5
The picture illustrates the same thing as the first one I posted. magneto don't mind these desperate attempt to hung up on irrelevant issues just so to disrupt the main discussion at hand. Arguing about one pic had darker skin than the other is just really rediculas and nonsense. We all know skin colour is an adaptive trait depending on the environment, so this minor dispute is leading no where. What we need to focus on instead is the bone structure and facial morphology of this particular Egyptian in contrast to the rest in the pic. And as we can see the Egyptian is clearly distinct from the Libyan, nubian and Assyrians and it's obvious for anyone who has a functioning brain that the Egyptian in the pic is not an Asian and neither a Dinka type but rather what he and his people exactly were, naimly indigenous north east africans, maybe with some minor admixture from the levant. And this is in line with the results of those studies conducted by experts in the field of anthropology concerning AE. In addition they (ancient egyptians) themselves have recorded their affinity with the people of the(horn) southern red sea coast calling the area "the land of the gods" or the "land of the beggining" meaning Punt. Which was located somewhere between the northern sudan and northern somalia coast. Punt could be situated in modern day Ethiopia,Sudan, Eritrea or Somalia (Egyptiologists know it's somewhere here but not the exact point). However what matters is that they portrayed the puntites whom they imported Lion skin, incense aswell as ivory among other goods as exactly as they portraid themselves (not in distinction as with the asians, "nubians" or others.) Never have Egyptians depicted Asians and others same as they did depict themselves. And as Brace has concluded with his studies, the founders of Ancient Egypt and Egyptians living in the critical period of the civiilization were nothing else than indigenous north East Africans.
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Post by galton on Jan 16, 2006 22:39:43 GMT -5
Allow me to clear things up, this is what YOU originally said: Nevermind the fact that the statement itself was stupid, your premises was basically that: 1. You are caucasian 2. The ancient egyptians were caucasian 3. Therefore "it has much to do with you" because of the above (as if somehow you have something to do with it). Now you've come out of the blue telling me that I'm "putting words into your mouth" when in fact you are putting (typing) them there yourself. Why the denial? You do realise how stupid you sound. I said If I'm caucasian and the ancient egyptians were caucasian. This is not the same as the egyptians were caucasian. But you take it as such and tell me to prove it. Prove what? That I'm white. You'll have to take my word for it on that. As for the Ancient Egyptians, I don't know if they were white or not. However, my original point was if they were and so am I, then there is a racial relationship. My point being race is biological and race means something regarding a character of a people and its culture. I am white, but if the Ancient Egyptians were white there would be much to do with them and I. That wasn't a declaration that Ancient Egyptians were caucasian and therefore I'm claiming them. Only a retard would take a conditional and turn its parts into a simle declarative sentence. That shows a lack of language skills. Here's a couple of quick lessons in Boolean Logic and another.
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Post by galton on Jan 16, 2006 22:42:42 GMT -5
It is important to separate "Western Culture" from "The World" for they are two very different things. In terms of "western culture" we are mostly in agreement, but in terms of "The World", well, might I say we are on two different "worlds" of opinion, as I demonstrated earlier to Eufrenio in pointing out the contributions of the swahili to indian ocean trade, wealth and relations. It is only important if you're Indian or Swahili. Are you either? If so, I can appreciate your position. If not, what's the point?
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Post by galton on Jan 16, 2006 22:43:56 GMT -5
Germanic is a language, a culture, an ethnicity, not a race. Try to stay relevant to the topic. you know what i meant. somewhere back in the thread was stated that Germanesque nordic folk were around in egypt back in the day. No I don't. You must have me confused with somebody else.
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Post by galton on Jan 16, 2006 22:50:54 GMT -5
If I was black, would I not consider the consistent use of the defunct term "negroe" as an insult? Prior to thread # 10 I have'nt even responded to your posts, yet the use of the word was liberal prior to. Rightly, anyone still using the word "negroe" is subject to being insulted himself and not being considered seriously. Negro isn't an insult in my opinion. However, it wasn't obvious to me that it is an insult to you. This I did not know. However, you show your childish world view and immaturity when your first reaction is to try to insult me with remarks about not finishing high school and other bullshyt remarks of that nature. Not that I was offended by it, but it shows your lack of social skills.
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