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Post by maniac on Jan 15, 2006 19:09:11 GMT -5
genetic studies? It's virtually impossible to accuretly test the DNA of a predynastic egyptian. As for History there are far to many euro and afro centrics who twist it in order to make their points heard.
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Post by anodyne on Jan 15, 2006 19:16:35 GMT -5
genetic studies? It's virtually impossible to accuretly test the DNA of a predynastic egyptian. As for History there are far to many euro and afro centrics who twist it in order to make their points heard. Modern day Egyptains are mostly Caucasoid. Is it possible that some Caucasoids whiped out the "real" Egyptians and replaced them. Not bloody likely. If so then apparently they went the route that few conquering people go and whiped out the women rather than breed with them. There is no evidence of such. There is evidence that Ancient Egyptians saw themselves as distinct from their southern neighbors. Regards to euro and afro centrics playing games with history. Well, people can twist all they like but people who leave their emotions at the door and look at the evidence objectively aren't easily fooled.
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Post by maniac on Jan 15, 2006 19:22:04 GMT -5
If the extermination of native americans who probably numbered 20million + was possible then why not the extermination of the AE who were probably around 2-3 million. All it takes is a famine and an invasion to get the job done.
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Post by anodyne on Jan 15, 2006 19:27:32 GMT -5
They weren't exterminated... why do you think Mexico has so many mestizos? The conquistadors and the thousands who came afterwards bred with the women. Regarding north American Ameridians there weren't many and millions of white Americans have Ameridian ancestry. It's a very minimal genetic contribution, for most, but it is there.
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Post by maniac on Jan 15, 2006 19:44:22 GMT -5
I think you are confused, the Native American's of North America today number in their few million in the past their numbers were in the tens of millions.
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Post by anodyne on Jan 15, 2006 20:05:24 GMT -5
I think you are confused, the Native American's of North America today number in their few million in the past their numbers were in the tens of millions. What do you base the second part on? Also, do you know how most Ameridians died? It was the consequence of an inability of their immune system to combat European diseases. Cortes and the pilgrims weren't aware of how diseases were spread. There were instances where orders were given to wipe out particular Ameridian groups (an example being some Sioux tribe in Minnesota ordered by Lincoln and conducted by I think Sheridan... not 100% sure if it was Sheridan.) but the tendency was to confine them.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 15, 2006 20:22:56 GMT -5
This "Maniac" , seems like another one of Bass' alternate names..he likes doing these types things to try and win or disengage the arguments,cause he can't get over it that AE where a Mediterranean Caucasoid Civilization with close ties with Asia...whatever minor Negroid element their was or might have been was completely negligible.
I even had a real Egyptian friend here on the board that applauded my facts and thanked me in defence against Bass and his entourage of Afrocentric cronies that stink up this board with their lies on Ancient/Modern Egypt.
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Post by maniac on Jan 15, 2006 23:34:10 GMT -5
Anodyne the use of small pox was widespread throughout North America as a weapon of extermination against the native americans. These just weren't incidents throughout america but a nation wide policy of their respective governments(Canada & USA).
Crimson are you for real? I hope you are kidding because if you aren't then you are the dumbest person I've ever met.
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Post by anodyne on Jan 16, 2006 0:14:37 GMT -5
There was an instance with regards to Lord Amherst but that's about it and it wasn't a nation wide policy. That's the only known instance.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 0:55:57 GMT -5
This "Maniac" , seems like another one of Bass' alternate names..he likes doing these types things to try and win or disengage the arguments,cause he can't get over it that AE where a Mediterranean Caucasoid Civilization with close ties with Asia...whatever minor Negroid element their was or might have been was completely negligible. I even had a real Egyptian friend here on the board that applauded my facts and thanked me in defence against Bass and his entourage of Afrocentric cronies that stink up this board with their lies on Ancient/Modern Egypt. Same nonsense from a troll who has never read one study on Egypt but takes other people's opinions and applies them as undeniable truths. I have an Egyptian friend, matter of fact a couple of them on egyptsearch that say what you say in nonsense, about Medit Caucazoids . As far as culture and language I have quoted Fekri Hasan, Fred Wendorf and Christopher Ehret, that ancient Egypt's language and culture was indeed indigenous and closer ties to Nilotic and Saharan peoples with some Levantine influence in the Egyptian Levant and the Delta, can you even directly quote a primary source without spamming someone else's nonsense[Egyptian Race Issue, racial reality, Dienekes Pontikos]? No you keep spamming the same nonsense over and over again, just shut up.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 1:00:23 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with anything, the point was that dukeofpain said Egyptian civilization crumbled due to contact and interaction with black people which is of course false. Race has nothing to do with how and whether civilizations rise and fall. I don't know your precise definition of crumble and fall. Maybe that's too strong and narrow definition of change or transformed. Would you agree that the character of Ancient Egypt's culture and society changed or transformed significantly because of contact with negroes from the south? No, that never happened and have you read anything about Egypt? They were in continuous contact with Nubians virtually the entire span of ancient Egyptian civilization. Did you read anything about the things that took place during the so-called "Negro" 25th dynasty? No, you losers jump to manical conclusions as to why civilizations fall and its always race, but the point is that Egypt always had contact and interaction with Nubians and had loads of people we would call black today in it.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 1:10:01 GMT -5
Most blacks don't fawn over Ancient Egypt to prove black achievements, I could use numerous examples amongst African-Americans, but why should I get into a contest of who's better than who using the achievements of others when i have done nothing to distinguish myself? I see, if you can't distinguish yourself in some kind of manner, others aren't allowed to do so as well. This is your point? Straight up, a white racist piece of trailer trash who has done nothing has no room to declare himself superior to blacks based on the achievements of past Europeans, thats utter nonsense, thats like a drug dealer from the hood saying he's better than the white race based on what another black person has done, but what does the achievements of another black man have to do with him directly? Thats just like these white nationalists losers who claim that they are intellectually superior to blacks based on the higher IQ scores of other whites, eventhough they as individuals haven't taken an IQ and compared their scores to those of blacks on the individual level. Thats just lame and pathetic. On the flip side, these same pathetic WN losers like to label alll black criminals and violence prone based on the actions of some blacks, but never do the same with white crime and treat white criminals as individuals who don't represent the whole of white people, some ridiculous damn logic, isn't it?[insert rolling eyes]
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Post by galton on Jan 16, 2006 4:03:02 GMT -5
I don't know your precise definition of crumble and fall. Maybe that's too strong and narrow definition of change or transformed. Would you agree that the character of Ancient Egypt's culture and society changed or transformed significantly because of contact with negroes from the south? No, that never happened and have you read anything about Egypt? They were in continuous contact with Nubians virtually the entire span of ancient Egyptian civilization. Did you read anything about the things that took place during the so-called "Negro" 25th dynasty? No, you losers jump to manical conclusions as to why civilizations fall and its always race, but the point is that Egypt always had contact and interaction with Nubians and had loads of people we would call black today in it. You're telling me that Ancient Egypt never changed one bit during its entire existence? Are you saying that Egypt was never effected by different peoples coming in and out of it in its entire history? You do realise that Islam wasn't didn't exist in Ancient Egypt? You do realise that the Hyksos invaded Egypt about 3800 years ago and ruled it for a couple of hundred years?
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Post by magneto on Jan 16, 2006 6:18:52 GMT -5
There is evidence that Ancient Egyptians saw themselves as distinct from their southern neighbors. Im no Afrocentrist but you have to be fair though because it goes both ways.The Egyptians while showing they were different from Southerners also showed themselves different from other foreign people. Syrian, Nubian, Libyan, and Egyptian.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 6:25:16 GMT -5
There is evidence that Ancient Egyptians saw themselves as distinct from their southern neighbors. Romans and Greeks saw themselves as distinct from their northern Nordic neighbors also, but do you consider Greeks and Romans to be the same race Nords? Sure you do, so why say the opposite in regards to Egypt?
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