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Post by joton on May 15, 2005 17:46:12 GMT -5
i guess he strike a resembleance to his treasures. but some art of him are not accurate. here is another reconstruction. ;D
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Post by alexandrian on May 15, 2005 18:50:18 GMT -5
i guess he strike a resembleance to his treasures. but some art of him are not accurate. here is another reconstruction. ;D That second recontruction doesn't look like him at all. Do you have additional information about it?
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Post by topdog on May 16, 2005 2:56:21 GMT -5
You have anger management issues, my brother When did I make an adhominem attack on Neave? You called his bust 'presposterous without specifically stating why but I do know why- he doesn't fit your perception of what an Upper Egyptian should look like. In other words you haven't stated any specific reason why that reconstruction is prepsoterous aside from ad-hominem attacks on Poe as being an Afrocentrist. I don't care about the cover, the only reason I went into detail about the cover is because you gave the impression that the cover was some Afrocentric fake in African clothing, on the contrary the man was dressed in Egyptian clothing and was based n a real person. See, thats what I mean, you have to look at it to see if it fits your perception of what is Upper Egyptian. Pathetic subjective argument. You implied it. You've never seen me, so how do you know?
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Post by Salvador on May 16, 2005 12:20:11 GMT -5
from one point of view, it is good that these kind of extreme ideologies exist. They refute each others lies. A few decenia ago, there were only Nordicist who made absurd claims and there was no one to condradict them. Especially since the Meds didn't take them seriously.
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Post by Faelcind on May 16, 2005 15:20:13 GMT -5
If you want to now about Richard neaves reconstruction skills you can read his book Making faces. Its interesting to note that he also reconstructs Natsef amuns half brothers face, and notes that Natsef appears to have had an negroid father while his brother didn't.
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Post by alexandrian on May 16, 2005 17:09:21 GMT -5
If you want to now about Richard neaves reconstruction skills you can read his book Making faces. Its interesting to note that he also reconstructs Natsef amuns half brothers face, and notes that Natsef appears to have had an negroid father while his brother didn't. What did the half brothers face look like? We'll know for sure how the AEs looked when the Cairo Museum finished its target of CT-scanning all the mummies in its possession by 2006 or 2008.
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Post by Baladi on May 16, 2005 21:45:54 GMT -5
Facial reconstruction is not %100. Many things like nose shape and the tip of the nose can be reconstructed with %40 percent accuracy. Another factor is that Forensic models are usually based on different ethnic models for facial thickness. Also ear shape is another factor that cannot really be determined.
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Post by Faelcind on May 16, 2005 23:45:28 GMT -5
Alexandrian his brother looked like he would not have looked out of place in modern egypt to me.
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Post by alexandrian on May 16, 2005 23:51:18 GMT -5
Alexandrian his brother looked like he would not have looked out of place in modern egypt to me. Any pic?
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Post by Faelcind on May 17, 2005 1:26:43 GMT -5
I have looked for it before but couldn't find it on the net he seems to be less interesting then his brother. I recomend picking up the book for your self its quite fascinating.
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Post by mike2 on May 17, 2005 1:44:52 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm just imagining things, but it's almost as if this guy has the same strange features as those Mycenaean faces that Neave also recreated. It's like they all have flat Khoisan faces with flaring malars and slanted eyes or something.
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Post by humantag on May 17, 2005 1:59:37 GMT -5
You called his bust 'presposterous without specifically stating why but I do know why Interesting - I didn't state specifically why yet you know why - do you read minds? - he doesn't fit your perception of what an Upper Egyptian should look like. In other words you haven't stated any specific reason why that reconstruction is prepsoterous aside from ad-hominem attacks on Poe as being an Afrocentrist. I said its preposterous because it looks cartoonish. DO you know what an 'adhominem' attack is (from your usage of the term here it appears you do not)? An adhominem attack is one which involves personal invective towards one's opponent without citing specific flaws in their argument (like when you attacked my initial post as 'whining' ). My calling Poe an Afrocentrist isn't an adhominem attack - it's a reasonable judgement of him based upon his writings. Having said that, I would nevertheless agree with what some other(s) have suggested however, that he himself is perhaps better described as 'on the fence' vis a vis Afrocentrism. He seems to think there is some merit for the Afrocentrist view but he does tend to come short of explicitly endorsing it. I don't care about the cover, the only reason I went into detail about the cover is because you gave the impression that the cover was some Afrocentric fake in African clothing, on the contrary the man was dressed in Egyptian clothing and was based n a real person. You are having a mental block here. I will try once last time - the fact that its based on a real person doesn't mean it cannot look preposterous. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Even if I were an Afriocentrist, I would say that the cover looks silly. See, thats what I mean, you have to look at it to see if it fits your perception of what is Upper Egyptian. Pathetic subjective argument. Interesting - you think there is something untoward about wanting to see something first and read about the methodology involved before makeing a judgement. You express yourself fairly eloquently but your critical thinking skills need some work, my friend. You've never seen me, so how do you know? Good God are you uptight - It's a joke - relax.
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Post by topdog on May 17, 2005 2:25:59 GMT -5
Your attack on Poe is an ad-hominem attack because you haven't pointed out specifically which points that he made are 'Afrocentric'. I know through personal communication with Poe that he believes that Egyptians did in fact colonise some parts of Greece, but he only makes this assumption based on the writings and legends that the Greeks themselves wrote. Calling someone an Afrocentrist without indentifying specific points is an ad-hominem attack.
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Post by alexandrian on May 17, 2005 17:05:20 GMT -5
he seems to be less interesting then his brother why am I not surprised
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Post by namo on Jul 3, 2005 2:30:48 GMT -5
This reminds me when I watched on British tv a program for kids about roman Britain, and it struck me because the actor who played the roman officer was of British Carribean or British african origin, which I thought at the time would have been confusing for the kids watching the program. But race doesn't exist! How could it possibly be confusing?
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