Post by xxx on Apr 13, 2004 8:25:04 GMT -5
Let's see how this 'brand new' excellent character/poster/whatever does. A few Meds banned and shunned from skadi such as myself or Gesta Bellica should help him going. You know, opponents can be such a nuisance and can jeopardize specific agendas. 
Hear! Hear! There is no doubt to who?
I won't speak for other Med nations, but I'll speak for mine. I will do so only to be brief, and not because I believe that my nation is superior to any other Med nation. Spain enjoys a pretty high standard of life, and the technology and economics of the country are at this moment of time perfectly healthy and enviable for many . We can't enjoy a social wealthfare state like the one in Norway, Saudi Arabia or The Emirates, simply because we don't have petrol to support this. We don't enjoy a social wealthfare state like the one in Sweden, simply because their model lead them to an overburdened wealthfare state and it is not an example which any nation should follow at all.
As for the Communist regimes, I'll remind you that Portugal had one Marxist regime which took them into deep shit, but they got rid of it and will no doubt recover at a pace. Spain didn't have a Marxist regime but had a 40 year long dictatorship which isolated us from the rest of the world after a 3 year long bleeding war. While the rest of the countries in Europe had their post-war reconstruction financed, Spain had to cater for itself and was commercially, economically and politically isolated and suffered a terrible blockade at the UN. I wonder how a country such as Norway, Sweden or Denmark would be performing nowadays after half a century of isolation. However, see the industrialisation in Spain right now and its GDP and compare it to the one in the Scandinavian countries. And yet, we still have way to go to fully recover. Furthermore, take a Med nation which has not gone through that all, Italy, and compare its industrial wealth to that of your beloved Scandinavian countries. Hard to compare? No wonder.
The funniest part is when these guys resort to what they call peripheral Nordish nations. I.e., a concept by which they allow themselves to consider nations which are not Nordid, but as much Nordid as they are Mediterranid or Alpinid, as Nord-something. What? Any problem with sticking to the 'Nordic Reservoirs'? Please, go visit Northern Italy and then have the guts to tell me it is peripheral Nord-something. For your information, The less dry areas of the Northern regions in the South, with larger rivers and a more appropriate climate, were the best for developing the industrial areas after the Industrial Revolution. Such is the case of the Lombardy region in Italy, or the regions of Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain (or the area around Porto in Portugal). Now, I wouldn't be surprised if you next wanted to consider Northern Catalonia and the Basque Country, both strongly Mediterranean, as some additional peripheral Nord-what-next.
Oh, and the one region with a strong Nord Celtic strain in Spain, Galicia, is far from being one of the most developed in the nation. To me that doesn't still prove anything, but to you it would if it were all the way round.
Many Negro consciousness activists are of mixed racial origins, because of the miscegenation carried out by the Nordic settlers. You know, that thing that is usually thought of as rape, and not precisely as consensual sex, and which Nordhammer suspected as the result that ''many black women might not have minded the company of a white gentleman especially when it may have granted additional favor and higher standard of living.''
Well, I call downbreeding to breed with someone who brags about superior and ficticious average IQs and who, on the other hand, shows not a grain of brain himself. Chances are that if people like you, Nordhammer, or Loki ever got to breed your children would inherit much of yourselves, much to their disgrace. That I call it downbreeding. Nothing to do with phenotype but with intellectual development capacity and aptitudes, or their lack of it.
To say that I've lured anyone, or even that I've been lured by anyone, is not only most ignoble from you but it also shows that you understand next to nothing about relationships and attraction. The problem here is that Nordicism, as you and a few others devise it or enview it, seems to be just a means to get over your strong and profound complexes and a way to obtain a woman for yourselves. The part of the 'preservation' is just a made up excuse, so please spare it to the rest. It also allows you a fake belief of superiority to people who show their personal superior quality, in a broad sense, to you. And only on the grounds of a depigmented phenotype.
For a Mediterranean nationalist such as myself, there is no need to stick to some shallow and simplistic, as non-linked to human intelligence, concepts such as yours. Mediterraneanism, Medicism or Mediterranism is a concept that we do not have a need to define and, less so, to limit such as you do with Nordicism. Much like modern Nords are the product of a white people mixed with others like Mongoloids through times, modern Mediterraneans are the product of the white ancient Mediterranean peoples mixed with other Indo-European peoples who later settled in the South of Europe. Neither of us can claim any genetical purity, outside of the concept of 'modern' Europids. That's no problem with me as I claim an ethnical and cultural nationalism, strong enough not to be altered by a slight influence of another, non Med, white Europid. It seems to be a problem to you and to a few others, and the only reasonable answer to it is that you have not enough knowledge on your alleged cultural and ethnical heritage and on the events on European inter-action. I would suggest you to stop ashaming your own people and let those among you who are more fit to do it to represent you.
This is no endorsement of 'white nationalism' or any other kind of new silly concepts. I am still a Mediterranean Nationalist as much as she is still a Nordic Nationalist. The compatibility here lies in the very foundations of European History and development itself, where European ethnical groups have received and assimilated other Europeans' influences which have added up to their ongoing development. But the problem here is that you seem to be unable to assimilate and learn from others, much as you are unable to teach others as you have nothing to teach. That, assuming you come from one or various European nations, is a big contrast with those nations you come from. So I'd say you guys are a personal and marginal problem for the people you claim to represent.
Let's go back to basics before we proceed. Meds have not created all this bubbling about white nationalism, Nords have. Then, a 'faction' of Nords which include people such as yourself and others started to feel the need to claim that Meds are non white. And only because in your simplicity, you confuse depigmentation of a specific white sub-group with 'whiteness' or 'white membership'. In your simplicity or, rather, in your stupidity. So Meds mostly come and correct your wrong. And not just Meds, but many other Nords do too.
Now, since your Nordicism is about defining racial, as well as sub-racial, superiority in terms of depigmentation and phenotype, Nordic Nationalism cannot be taken as a basis to define Mediterranean Nationalism. There are other Nordic Nationalists who have different views to yours, but you and your pack are noisy enough to monopolize everything Nordic in the limited and statistically marginal world of these boards.
[Tiwaz]
I'm posing this question seriously. I have observed the following:
1. There is no doubt that the social, technological, and economic standards of Med nations as well as their IQs are much lower than the one of Nordish nations, with two exceptions: Northern Italy and Northern France, which are, however, racially not Med, but of significant if not dominating Germanic or Celtic genetic contributions, and, racially, Peripheral Nordish on average.
Contrary to the nations of former Communist Europe, Portugal, Spain, Southern Italy, and Greece can't blame Communism for it either.
Same holds true for the IQs, social, technological, and economic standards of black nations, when compared to white nations.
I'm posing this question seriously. I have observed the following:
1. There is no doubt that the social, technological, and economic standards of Med nations as well as their IQs are much lower than the one of Nordish nations, with two exceptions: Northern Italy and Northern France, which are, however, racially not Med, but of significant if not dominating Germanic or Celtic genetic contributions, and, racially, Peripheral Nordish on average.
Contrary to the nations of former Communist Europe, Portugal, Spain, Southern Italy, and Greece can't blame Communism for it either.
Same holds true for the IQs, social, technological, and economic standards of black nations, when compared to white nations.
Hear! Hear! There is no doubt to who?
I won't speak for other Med nations, but I'll speak for mine. I will do so only to be brief, and not because I believe that my nation is superior to any other Med nation. Spain enjoys a pretty high standard of life, and the technology and economics of the country are at this moment of time perfectly healthy and enviable for many . We can't enjoy a social wealthfare state like the one in Norway, Saudi Arabia or The Emirates, simply because we don't have petrol to support this. We don't enjoy a social wealthfare state like the one in Sweden, simply because their model lead them to an overburdened wealthfare state and it is not an example which any nation should follow at all.
As for the Communist regimes, I'll remind you that Portugal had one Marxist regime which took them into deep shit, but they got rid of it and will no doubt recover at a pace. Spain didn't have a Marxist regime but had a 40 year long dictatorship which isolated us from the rest of the world after a 3 year long bleeding war. While the rest of the countries in Europe had their post-war reconstruction financed, Spain had to cater for itself and was commercially, economically and politically isolated and suffered a terrible blockade at the UN. I wonder how a country such as Norway, Sweden or Denmark would be performing nowadays after half a century of isolation. However, see the industrialisation in Spain right now and its GDP and compare it to the one in the Scandinavian countries. And yet, we still have way to go to fully recover. Furthermore, take a Med nation which has not gone through that all, Italy, and compare its industrial wealth to that of your beloved Scandinavian countries. Hard to compare? No wonder.
The funniest part is when these guys resort to what they call peripheral Nordish nations. I.e., a concept by which they allow themselves to consider nations which are not Nordid, but as much Nordid as they are Mediterranid or Alpinid, as Nord-something. What? Any problem with sticking to the 'Nordic Reservoirs'? Please, go visit Northern Italy and then have the guts to tell me it is peripheral Nord-something. For your information, The less dry areas of the Northern regions in the South, with larger rivers and a more appropriate climate, were the best for developing the industrial areas after the Industrial Revolution. Such is the case of the Lombardy region in Italy, or the regions of Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain (or the area around Porto in Portugal). Now, I wouldn't be surprised if you next wanted to consider Northern Catalonia and the Basque Country, both strongly Mediterranean, as some additional peripheral Nord-what-next.
Oh, and the one region with a strong Nord Celtic strain in Spain, Galicia, is far from being one of the most developed in the nation. To me that doesn't still prove anything, but to you it would if it were all the way round.
[Tiwaz]
2. Even amongst the black consciousness movement, i. e. Negro racialists, miscegenation with white women is in general not discouraged or even encouraged ... on aesthetic and eugenic grounds, as I believe (upbreeding). Consequently, many Negro consciousness activists are also of mixed racial origin.
2. Even amongst the black consciousness movement, i. e. Negro racialists, miscegenation with white women is in general not discouraged or even encouraged ... on aesthetic and eugenic grounds, as I believe (upbreeding). Consequently, many Negro consciousness activists are also of mixed racial origin.
Many Negro consciousness activists are of mixed racial origins, because of the miscegenation carried out by the Nordic settlers. You know, that thing that is usually thought of as rape, and not precisely as consensual sex, and which Nordhammer suspected as the result that ''many black women might not have minded the company of a white gentleman especially when it may have granted additional favor and higher standard of living.''
[Tiwaz]
On the other hand, all white racialists discourage miscegenation with blacks, also on aesthetic and eugenic grounds (downbreeding).
Similarly, while all Nordicists discourage miscegenation with Meds (downbreeding?), Medicists and Med nationalists seem to be indifferent to it, or, as in the recent case of Mynydd, even try to lure Nordid women into their net (upbreeding?).
On the other hand, all white racialists discourage miscegenation with blacks, also on aesthetic and eugenic grounds (downbreeding).
Similarly, while all Nordicists discourage miscegenation with Meds (downbreeding?), Medicists and Med nationalists seem to be indifferent to it, or, as in the recent case of Mynydd, even try to lure Nordid women into their net (upbreeding?).
Well, I call downbreeding to breed with someone who brags about superior and ficticious average IQs and who, on the other hand, shows not a grain of brain himself. Chances are that if people like you, Nordhammer, or Loki ever got to breed your children would inherit much of yourselves, much to their disgrace. That I call it downbreeding. Nothing to do with phenotype but with intellectual development capacity and aptitudes, or their lack of it.
To say that I've lured anyone, or even that I've been lured by anyone, is not only most ignoble from you but it also shows that you understand next to nothing about relationships and attraction. The problem here is that Nordicism, as you and a few others devise it or enview it, seems to be just a means to get over your strong and profound complexes and a way to obtain a woman for yourselves. The part of the 'preservation' is just a made up excuse, so please spare it to the rest. It also allows you a fake belief of superiority to people who show their personal superior quality, in a broad sense, to you. And only on the grounds of a depigmented phenotype.
For a Mediterranean nationalist such as myself, there is no need to stick to some shallow and simplistic, as non-linked to human intelligence, concepts such as yours. Mediterraneanism, Medicism or Mediterranism is a concept that we do not have a need to define and, less so, to limit such as you do with Nordicism. Much like modern Nords are the product of a white people mixed with others like Mongoloids through times, modern Mediterraneans are the product of the white ancient Mediterranean peoples mixed with other Indo-European peoples who later settled in the South of Europe. Neither of us can claim any genetical purity, outside of the concept of 'modern' Europids. That's no problem with me as I claim an ethnical and cultural nationalism, strong enough not to be altered by a slight influence of another, non Med, white Europid. It seems to be a problem to you and to a few others, and the only reasonable answer to it is that you have not enough knowledge on your alleged cultural and ethnical heritage and on the events on European inter-action. I would suggest you to stop ashaming your own people and let those among you who are more fit to do it to represent you.
This is no endorsement of 'white nationalism' or any other kind of new silly concepts. I am still a Mediterranean Nationalist as much as she is still a Nordic Nationalist. The compatibility here lies in the very foundations of European History and development itself, where European ethnical groups have received and assimilated other Europeans' influences which have added up to their ongoing development. But the problem here is that you seem to be unable to assimilate and learn from others, much as you are unable to teach others as you have nothing to teach. That, assuming you come from one or various European nations, is a big contrast with those nations you come from. So I'd say you guys are a personal and marginal problem for the people you claim to represent.
[Tiwaz]
3. Like Negroes constantly assert to whites that that we are all human beings, and that race doesn't matter, Meds constantly assert to Nords that we are all whites and that sub-race doesn't matter.
Would it be invalid to conclude from this that Meds are sub-racially "inferior" to Nords (on average), the same way Negroes are racially "inferior" to whites (on average)?
3. Like Negroes constantly assert to whites that that we are all human beings, and that race doesn't matter, Meds constantly assert to Nords that we are all whites and that sub-race doesn't matter.
Would it be invalid to conclude from this that Meds are sub-racially "inferior" to Nords (on average), the same way Negroes are racially "inferior" to whites (on average)?
Let's go back to basics before we proceed. Meds have not created all this bubbling about white nationalism, Nords have. Then, a 'faction' of Nords which include people such as yourself and others started to feel the need to claim that Meds are non white. And only because in your simplicity, you confuse depigmentation of a specific white sub-group with 'whiteness' or 'white membership'. In your simplicity or, rather, in your stupidity. So Meds mostly come and correct your wrong. And not just Meds, but many other Nords do too.
Now, since your Nordicism is about defining racial, as well as sub-racial, superiority in terms of depigmentation and phenotype, Nordic Nationalism cannot be taken as a basis to define Mediterranean Nationalism. There are other Nordic Nationalists who have different views to yours, but you and your pack are noisy enough to monopolize everything Nordic in the limited and statistically marginal world of these boards.
