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Post by vgambler33 on Dec 5, 2005 23:01:21 GMT -5
really? So, If a group of blacks want to beat me, I cant yell, please, mexican street gangs, defend me, I am a latino brother! In California,usually Mexicans get along well with Argentinians.
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Post by yigal on Dec 5, 2005 23:11:06 GMT -5
Seriously, dude, any Mexican here who's not very Americanised isn't gonna love you. You're white and come from a culture that's seen as arrogant and they make fun of your accent. Dude you can't speak for all Mexicans or Mexican-Americans. dile carnal, esos pinchi güerros creen que saben todo pero no concen la defirencia entre una verga y un bate de beisbol guey
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Post by vgambler33 on Dec 5, 2005 23:12:04 GMT -5
Drooperado> P.S.--Educate_Me would never fit in with Mexican street gangs. I could imagine his pale, European self surrounded by a crowd of Mexican gang-bangers. He'd look like a Conquistador in the court of Montezuma. He'd fit in with them as well as a Euro-American would fit in with Hopi Indians.*
Drooperado, did you know that there is plenty of Anglo-Saxons in Mexican street gangs? I have seen a few when i was going to high school. Blue eyed 100% Anglo Saxons in one tough street Mexican gang. Plenty of Anglo-Saxons in Mexican street gangs in Los Angeles,O.C. ETC.
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Post by vgambler33 on Dec 5, 2005 23:13:16 GMT -5
The derogatory term "spic" is older than Puerto Rican immigration to the US. It seem to have first been used as a slur against Mexicans, and is now generally used for Spanish- speaking people. I've never heard "beaner" or "wetback" used here on the east coast. Spic was never used on Mexicans. I never hear it .
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Post by vgambler33 on Dec 5, 2005 23:14:27 GMT -5
Dude you can't speak for all Mexicans or Mexican-Americans. dile carnal, esos pinchi güerros creen que saben todo pero no concen la defirencia entre una verga y un bate de beisbol guey Forester is seizure?
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Post by anodyne on Dec 5, 2005 23:34:09 GMT -5
I had in the past looked over a book that dealt with derogatory terms and it involved Mexicans with reference to "spic." I can't recall the book. I've also seen the word spelt "spick" and in reference to other groups (Greeks) in a short story written by the hard drinking Paul Cain who wrote the story during the 30s. The term is not new and seems unlikely to be first attached to Puerto Ricans. This reminds me of Joe "Peg Leg" Morgan who is now dead. There was (or perhaps still is) another anglo guy by the name of Shyrock who has (or had) influence in the Mexican Mafia. I don't know too much about the group. I think I came across this information by accident when looking into the biography of Ed Bunker who was friends with Morgan in San Quentin. Morgan was the leader and brains behind the group. www.geocities.com/OrganizedCrimeSyndicates/MexicanMafiaPrisonGang.html
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 6, 2005 1:45:55 GMT -5
Italian American actor Robert Loggia has played a beaner/spic in some of his earlier movies.
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Post by asdf on Dec 6, 2005 1:57:06 GMT -5
dile carnal, esos pinchi güerros creen que saben todo pero no concen la defirencia entre una verga y un bate de beisbol guey Forester is seizure? Yeah.
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Post by vgambler33 on Dec 6, 2005 2:01:34 GMT -5
This reminds me of Joe "Peg Leg" Morgan who is now dead. There was (or perhaps still is) another anglo guy by the name of Shyrock who has (or had) influence in the Mexican Mafia. I don't know too much about the group. I think I came across this information by accident when looking into the biography of Ed Bunker who was friends with Morgan in San Quentin. Morgan was the leader and brains behind the group. www.geocities.com/OrganizedCrimeSyndicates/MexicanMafiaPrisonGang.htmlThe founder of the Mexican mafia was half Mexican half Hungarian.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 6, 2005 2:15:39 GMT -5
I've never heard anything about that. He's always referred to as "Anglo."
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Post by buddy on Dec 6, 2005 3:10:21 GMT -5
In my experience, people have used slurs such as "beaner" and "wetback" to refer mainly to Mexicans/Central Americans whereas "Spic" has been applied to all Latin Americans in general. I've never heard of a Dominican or Puerto Rican being called "beaner" or "wetback."
Whoever said that the term "wetback" originates from Mexican immigrants allegedly swimming across the Rio Grande is correct (btw I certainly don't condone the use of such terms).
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Post by buddy on Dec 6, 2005 3:19:51 GMT -5
Yigal brings a lot to this board, but he may be a little given to exaggeration at times . . . such as when he says "Here in the U.S. we call every Hispanic a beaner," etc. Actually, "beaner" is common in the Southwest and California--and it refers to Mexicans. I never heard the term "beaner" before I was 20 years-old, and that was because of a Cheech and Chong movie. In the Midwest "beaner" means "lesbian". My mother-in-law from Cleveland just used it the other day, and she was referring to "the love that dare not speak its name". So Yigal's Guide-to-Racial-Slurs doesn't exactly make allowances for the fact that the United States is a massive country, in which slurs vary according to region. P.S.--Educate_Me would never fit in with Mexican street gangs. I could imagine his pale, European self surrounded by a crowd of Mexican gang-bangers. He'd look like a Conquistador in the court of Montezuma. He'd fit in with them as well as a Euro-American would fit in with Hopi Indians.* * That's not to say that Mexico doesn't have its whites. It does. But they tend to be upper-class, and not exactly the type of people that end up in street gangs, which draws people from the lower classes. In Mexico, lower class = Aztec. So an Argentine like Educate_Me might fit into Mexico's upper class, but he'd look ridiculously out of place among the poor.Here's Mexican-American director Robert Rodriguez, compared to a lower-class Mexican (in this case, labor-leader Cesar Chavez): There's the same racial gulf that separates this famous Euro-American from a Hopi Indian, from the U.S. Southwest: I'll never understand why Americans can distinguish between an English-speaking European and an English-speaking Indian. But with a Spanish-speaking European and a Spanish-speaking Indian, they feel the impulse to lump them [erroneously] into one race. It's equally amazing how they look at South-West Indian tribes and Mexicans like Cesar Chavez, and never realize that they're the same race. In fact, the Nahuatl language of the Aztecs--that is STILL spoken in Mexico --is linguistically related to the languages of the Comache Indians, the Pima, Shoshone, Hopi, etc. My only conclusion here: Educate_Me would fit in as well with Mexican street gangs as Tyrone Power would with a tribe of Hopi Indians. Droop what's up? Once again you illustrate your point quite vividly. It's a simple fact that the majority of Mexicans are essentially either the descendants of Hispanicized Amerindians or a blend of Spanish and Amerindian with the Amerindian ancestry predominating in most mestizos. Also, we can't forget that there has also been a slight African contribution to the Mexican gene pool, something that's often overlooked by many Mexicans themselves. Still, it's quite true that approximately 10% of all Mexicans are of fully or predominantly European descent, and I was also somewhat surprised to learn some time ago that a sizable portion of this European ancestry is non-Iberian. Plenty of Frenchmen, Germans, and even some Anglo-Americans and Italians made their way to Mexico over the past few centuries.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 6, 2005 3:26:10 GMT -5
Never seen a Mexican with 2 Mexican parents with an Italian or English last name but once in a while on a rare occasion I will see a 100% Mexican with a German or French last name but over 95% of Mexicans that I have met have typical Spanish last names.
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Post by asdf on Dec 6, 2005 3:28:32 GMT -5
He was talking about white Mexicans, those who rarely immigrate, etc. Many Frenchmen and the like Hispanised their names anyway.
A descendant of Vicent Fox (Irish surname) isn't going to be immigrating any time soon.
Also, that ten percent number is the BS or outdated CIA World Factbook number. It's probably closer to 5% nowadays.
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Post by buddy on Dec 6, 2005 3:31:36 GMT -5
He was talking about white Mexicans, those who rarely immigrate, etc. Many Frenchmen and the like Hispanised their names anyway. A descendant of Vicent Fox (Irish surname) isn't going to be immigrating any time soon. Yes thank you, that's precisely what I meant.
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