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Post by Freehuey on Mar 13, 2005 23:27:06 GMT -5
Freehuey AA americans have been genetically shown to have significant european admixture so it makes since to consider the possibility that anamolous features that are caucasian like are the result of admixture. Since their is no historical record of negroid people in northern europe untill very recently and no detectable SSA admixture. In that situation your hypothesis is not parsimonious and does not fit the rest of the data. Hair form is multialleic trait showing incomplete dominance between straight and curly forms. European hair is usually wavy indicating most people carry alleles for both Curly and straight hair. Its stastical probablity that a small percentage of the any european population will end up with only alleles that code for curly resulting in very curly ever kinky hair. There is absolutely no reason that such hair need be indicative of african admixture. Thanks for the response but that still doesn't explain why some non-blacks have kinky (let me be more specific) not curly, KINKY hair....to your point about no historical data...can we really trust in European History, probably not totally, sorry, I think a bit of history has been tainted....I still think something is up on the non-blacks with kinky hair.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 14, 2005 0:13:27 GMT -5
There are lots of issues with the veracity of historical documents however the complete lack of documentary, or genetic evidence of any substantial SSA invasion or immigration into europe makes that hypothesis a gross violations of Occams razor. As for kinky versus curly hair I have never seen a European with truly kinky hair, My hair is about as coarse and curly as you'll find in europe and its no were near as tightly curled as negroid hair. If you look closely white boy afro's usually have quite different texture from true west african hair.
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Post by Soomaal on Mar 14, 2005 2:09:44 GMT -5
SS African hair varies, its not like we all have nappy hair, some do, some have curly hair. Some even have straight non-wavy hair, both my parents have straight hair, somehow I came out really wavy/curly when its grows out a lot. I think the only thing SS Africans and their descendants have a monopoly on is the so called kinky hair.
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Post by Igu on Mar 14, 2005 4:04:52 GMT -5
SS African hair varies, its not like we all have nappy hair, some do, some have curly hair. Some even have straight non-wavy hair, both my parents have straight hair, somehow I came out really wavy/curly when its grows out a lot. I think the only thing SS Africans and their descendants have a monopoly on is the so called kinky hair. You are speaking about sub-saharans like they are apure race: -Pure Negroids (west africans) -Sahal negroids (Mali have about 25% Y-berber Dna) -Southern negroids (have about 25% bushmen Y-dna) -Aethiopids (40% negroids and the rest is a vestige of an old east africa type+Caucasoid near eastern). Then of course you will find a "diversity"
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Post by Igu on Mar 14, 2005 4:07:23 GMT -5
i think those guys have never touched curly hair. there is a sickness that only black people have (The hair grows inside the skin), with curly this never happens: different hair structure.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 14, 2005 9:29:47 GMT -5
<<are you a stormfront troll.....figures>>
Are you an idiot?Figures
Linking curly hair to negroid genes is about as moronic as it can get.
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Post by Josh on Mar 14, 2005 10:01:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the response but that still doesn't explain why some non-blacks have kinky (let me be more specific) not curly, KINKY hair....to your point about no historical data...can we really trust in European History, probably not totally, sorry, I think a bit of history has been tainted....I still think something is up on the non-blacks with kinky hair. I think that would make sense only if the person in question had other Negroid traits. If none of the other traits indicate Negroid ancestry, I think it can be ruled out as an oddity.
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Post by neptunefix on Mar 14, 2005 10:10:02 GMT -5
i think some peopel think that the curly hair trait is a dominant trait that can replace other traits and not be diluted so much, like other typical race traits. I suspect brown eyes being dominant is similar?
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Post by Human on Mar 14, 2005 13:29:28 GMT -5
how to explain the total absence of curly hair amongst native americans?
it is far well known along the coast from east africa through the southermost part of india to south east asia and then to some pacific islands there may have happened a black corridor or something even if black ancestry is not detected on negritos.
melanesian negritos may derive also from those first people who emigrated from africa and made their way through the corridor mentioned...
what i find most interesting, taking some few oddities such as the negritos mentioned, is that the far away you are from africa the less will you encounter curly haired people.
the extreme limit of it (the native americans, who happened to be too far away) have had no degree of curlyness whatsoever.
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Post by Human on Mar 14, 2005 13:30:17 GMT -5
i mean taking out, taking out.
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Post by Jose on Mar 17, 2005 21:03:50 GMT -5
dam you people are fools,white people have staright hair,black people have curly hair,when you mix the two the offspring has kinky hair,any whites with curly hair have black ansestors,its a fact,all these arabs with curly hair are mulattoids too Black people have nappy hair, not curly
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Post by Springa on Mar 18, 2005 7:53:30 GMT -5
There are Japanese with naturally curly hair. It's rare, but not impossible. but that's not indicative of a caucausoid....not naturally, some mixing occured some where, take japanese people for example, unless mixing occurs they have straight hair..
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Post by Springa on Mar 18, 2005 8:04:39 GMT -5
An afro is a hairstyle. Der Afro means "the Afro", which is the name you give to any lomg curly hair, no matter what race the person is. They're obviously refering to his hairstyle, not implying that he somehow looks like a black man, which he obviously doesn't. i guess you may have a point. the people more geographically distant to sub saharans (native americans) are known to have no wavyness or curlyness whatsoever. the ones outside africa who have it more frequently, generally speaking (and leaving out oddities such as the melanesians negritos) are the ones geographycally closer to africa, such as middle easteners and europeans. even if african ancestry is not detected genetically speaking more remotely thousands of years ago there may have happened something to explain the spread of wavy to curly hair. still, just a reasonable explanation, but i dont buy it anyway cause i think there may be many more anyway. take a look at the fantastic german player, Paul Breitner (he is from kolbermoor, bayern, southern germany, unmixed); his nick by the supporters was appropriately "Der Afro" (and yet he looks typically german though in my view): img102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102?=breitneriii6ek.jpgimg102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102?=breitnerpaul4cx.jpgimg102.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img102?=breitnerpaulii8ap.jpg
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Post by Springa on Mar 18, 2005 8:16:52 GMT -5
That's just like asking "how to explain the total absence of brown skin among Scandinavians?" People may develop similar traits without being related. Melanesians have kinky, not even curly or wavy hair, and are the single most distant genetic population from black Africans. I think this line of thought is simplistic and automatic. My opinion is that some of the early Europeans, from before there was such thing as "white" and "black" people had curly hair, and this trait on most Europeans comes from that. After all, curly hair is not really something that seriously jeopardizes survival on any climate, so even on a radically different environment it has survived as a minor element. how to explain the total absence of curly hair amongst native americans?
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Post by Human on Mar 18, 2005 8:40:01 GMT -5
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