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Post by Faelcind on Mar 12, 2005 20:45:16 GMT -5
I didn't say that curly hair couldn't be indicative of SSA african heritage in my own personal case it might very well be, what I said what that is was not neccesarily indicative. Curly hair does not equal african descent as the melanasian example clear demonstrates.
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Post by Freehuey on Mar 12, 2005 22:11:54 GMT -5
It makes sense to me, i got opinions from this board as well as others, and honestly, I think non-africans with naturally curly hair are mixed with africans. People claim that people are a "product of their environment", i.e, whats the climate in ireland, is it like that of Africa, what in that environment would cause one to "adjust" in the form of their hair curling..............hmmm like that of africans in the desert
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 12, 2005 22:18:32 GMT -5
Of course it makes lots of since for their to have been signficant african admixture in ireland or germany.
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Post by Freehuey on Mar 13, 2005 7:46:50 GMT -5
Of course it makes lots of since for their to have been signficant african admixture in ireland or germany. With all due respect, you guys argue all the time that people adapt to their surroundings overtime so why would you all not recognize this as a possibility, i'm convinced personally, but just curious to know why some seem one sided in their thinking, and also to anastatia's point, if a person of color has a trait like that of Europeans then they are definitely mixed, make up your minds......
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Post by neptunefix on Mar 13, 2005 7:54:10 GMT -5
The scots seem to have a lot of curly heads, but are pretty pale. If africans developed curly hair, then certainly other races could too..
It's supposed to be a dominant trait, but that doesnt explain my straight hair... much of my family starts off with blonde straight hair and later develops thick curly dark hair. The skin seems to get darker, too. As if the dominant traits "take over" later on. Genetics are weird.
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Post by jay (mulatto) on Mar 13, 2005 11:04:36 GMT -5
what's interesting about curly and kinky hair. is how it comes about. it's certainly derived from an environment. i don't think it's as simple as the hair adapting to a hot climate. IIRC, it's adapting to tropical rain forest... I think basically what happened, is that with Africa the region which is tropical rain forest, the people adapted to the environment. and had kinky hair. the same thing happened in all the other regions such as parts of s. asia & s.e. asia, central america, and some of australia. so those are the only regions where people, if they live there long enough will adapt, and get kinky hair. however, much of s.e. asia, and the americas. caucasoids migrated (s.asia), and mongoloids (s.e. asia/america) and mixed with the kinky-haired local population (which we refer to as negritos/australoids/indigenous asians etc.). in some cases these kinky-haired locals are completed replaced, in others hybridized and or marginalised to a small minority. so those are the regions where such kinky hair is evolved. i think any areas that don't have silky straight hair have some influence from kinky-haired people (which is mostly sub-saharan africans, since the other kinky-haired peoples in asia/americas were nearly wiped out/too small in number). however, curly/afro-textured hair in irish, or southern europeans doesn't make them mulatto or quadroon. it just means that over time of migrations and mixing, and adaptation to new environments the curly hair eventually arrived in places as high as scotland (the hair texture probably was slower to change than other phenotypical characteristics). the likely route i'd guess would be w.aficans mixing with n.e. africans and into the middle east. then middle easterners mixing with north africans, southern europeans (the moors that invaded spain/portugal, and mixed with sicilians/southern italians). and subsequently iberians migrating/mixing with irish, then irish migrating/mixing with scotts. i think it's indicative of a route that goes back to africa. reason being (and i'd really like to hear other peoples reasoning for wavy/curly/kinky hair adaptions to environments). is that if you look at asia. it seems pretty damn impressive how consistent silky straight hair is in eastern asia, a large area like that. i don't see anything environmentally special about ireland or scotland compared to these regions of eastern asia. so that leads me to conclude that the wavy/curly/kinky hair of ireland/scotland comes from elsewhere, perhaps it can be evolved from spain, although i don't think it comes from there either, it's likely middle eastern, n.african, or simply sub-saharan african in origins. - i think another reason why east asians have such consistently silky hair, is that east asians are from a n.e. migration, migrating south, whereas with europeans the migrations are more mixed going in various directions northward, southward, involving the middle east, and africa. hence s.e. asians have silky straight hair and slant eyes. the slant eyes comes from an extreme northern climate with blizzards etc.
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Post by pavel2 on Mar 13, 2005 12:00:15 GMT -5
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Post by jay (mulatto) on Mar 13, 2005 13:20:44 GMT -5
[/img] like this hockey player. what about nicole kidman who has very curly hair and straightens it images.usatoday.com/life/enter/movies/oscar2002/_photos/inside-nicole-kidman.jpg[/img]george bush has wavy hair, it looked very curly at times in his youth. guess he must be mixed. [/quote] well technically it could be due to mixture... let's see does anyone have figures of the amount of negroid admixture in europeans, and in comparison to east asian nations like china, korea, japan. IIRC, european nations have very very small amounts of negroid admixture. in most cases 1 or 2 % - now we know that many mulattoes, and even quadroons (25% negroid) have curly, even kinky african hair. so what im saying is it would seem this gene is strong in it's kinkiest form. and amongst a large population, 1 or 2% negroid admixture could manifest itself in a great deal of wavy/loosely curled hair. why else would europeans (mostly southern europeans, but also irish, and scottish), and middle easterners have such hair, when east asians dont have this at all? even in east asia they're closer to tropical rain forest areas than europe. perhaps curly textured hair can evolve from other environments other than tropical rainforest. but which environments? - i'm open minded to the concept that not all curly hair comes from sub-saharan africans, or from tropical asians. but where do you think irish, and scottish got their curly hair from? do you think they evolved the hair themselves, or it came from southern europe, or the middle east?
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Post by pavel2 on Mar 13, 2005 13:54:39 GMT -5
another interesting example would be chelseas clinton, naturally curly hair, but both bill and hillary have straight hair, heck bill even has some native american ancestry, so where did it come from. and there are many cases where 2 straight haired parents with no curly haired history produced a chelsea type child. we're of course assuming it is there kid perhaps it's some sort of mutation or defect. like when two people with no body hair and a history of hairlessness produce a robin williams type guy. perhaps it's an increase level of X hormone that results in a decrease of Y which leads to curly hair??? I know women who took a certain pill or had ovarian tumors produced hirsute offspring. look at bush, he had curly hair in his 20's and 30's, now it's straightened out in his 50's, maybe because of a decrease in something? none of his brothers had it, neither did his father or mother. I don't know anything about genetics so maybe I'm totally off, just an idea....
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Post by pavel2 on Mar 13, 2005 14:27:37 GMT -5
there is also varying degrees of things. It's not just cut and dry, straight vs curly hair. There is 100% bone straight hair, then there is straight hair that is brittle and slightly frizzy, there is straight hair that has a pretty much undetectable wave to it, then there is straight hair with a slight, noticeable wave at a certain length, others have straight hair that waves a little at 4 inches down, 3 inches down etc. You can go on describing many different types of hair shared by white people of all different nationalities. mcusiman.tripod.com/tedk2.jpg [/img] ted kennedy and his brothers, all had straight hair that began to wave at a certain length. www.reaganranch.org/RR_denim.jpg [/img] reagan on the other hand, perfectly straight hair john lennon, thick straight hair that began to get dry, brittle and curl/wave as he grew it longer. jim morrison, more of a wave here imagecache2.allposters.com/images/ADL/PWC050.jpg[/img] keith richards as well.
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Post by Kabbealompost on Mar 13, 2005 14:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 13, 2005 14:54:59 GMT -5
Freehuey AA americans have been genetically shown to have significant european admixture so it makes since to consider the possibility that anamolous features that are caucasian like are the result of admixture. Since their is no historical record of negroid people in northern europe untill very recently and no detectable SSA admixture. In that situation your hypothesis is not parsimonious and does not fit the rest of the data. Hair form is multialleic trait showing incomplete dominance between straight and curly forms. European hair is usually wavy indicating most people carry alleles for both Curly and straight hair. Its stastical probablity that a small percentage of the any european population will end up with only alleles that code for curly resulting in very curly ever kinky hair. There is absolutely no reason that such hair need be indicative of african admixture.
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Post by Kabbealompost on Mar 13, 2005 14:59:03 GMT -5
there is also varying degrees of things. It's not just cut and dry, straight vs curly hair. There is 100% bone straight hair, then there is straight hair that is brittle and slightly frizzy, there is straight hair that has a pretty much undetectable wave to it, then there is straight hair with a slight, noticeable wave at a certain length, others have straight hair that waves a little at 4 inches down, 3 inches down etc. You can go on describing many different types of hair shared by white people of all different nationalities. mcusiman.tripod.com/tedk2.jpg [/img] ted kennedy and his brothers, all had straight hair that began to wave at a certain length. www.reaganranch.org/RR_denim.jpg [/img] reagan on the other hand, perfectly straight hair john lennon, thick straight hair that began to get dry, brittle and curl/wave as he grew it longer. jim morrison, more of a wave here imagecache2.allposters.com/images/ADL/PWC050.jpg[/img] keith richards as well.[/quote]I dunno. I think only very few Caucasoid people have really, completely straight hair. Short wavy (or slightly curly) hair can be made look straight with hair gel, and so on.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 13, 2005 15:52:53 GMT -5
Curly hair has nothing to do with Negroid genes,get over it.
Nappy rough hair is a trait of the negroids not curly hair.They go to great pains to straighten their hair these days.
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Post by Freehuey on Mar 13, 2005 23:19:30 GMT -5
Curly hair has nothing to do with Negroid genes,get over it. Nappy rough hair is a trait of the negroids not curly hair.They go to great pains to straighten their hair these days. are you a stormfront troll.....figures.
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