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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 31, 2005 1:37:38 GMT -5
What are you talking about now Bass?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 31, 2005 1:42:27 GMT -5
What are you talking about now Bass? He thinks that if crazy people like Man Above Time have the right to call themselves Aryans, then by that logic black folks should have the right to call themselves "African Americans" and whatnot without receiving any flak from you. *bows and exits*
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Post by Charlie Bass on Jul 31, 2005 1:56:59 GMT -5
At least we do share actual ancestry with Africans, a close one at that, what close ancestry does a brainwashed redneck share wth Aryans?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 31, 2005 2:06:41 GMT -5
When you re-arrange the letters in "brainwashed redneck," you get "dike-wrenched Arian B.S."
Sounds about right to me.
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Post by manabovetime on Jul 31, 2005 2:20:02 GMT -5
lol... you're the one who hates "Semitic religions" such as Christianity. Who do you think you are to lecture me about something you don't even believe in? Not only are your claims insane, but contradictory. You assume my religion is based on Semitic mythology. Just because what I said sounded similar to the clap-trap you believe in... Everyone knows that the Jews stole all their ideas from somewhere else. Once-Aryan Persia, for instance.
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Post by manabovetime on Jul 31, 2005 2:23:10 GMT -5
Hey, I wouldn't mind if he went about calling himself a Kurgan or something. But Aryan? Come on, now. I highly doubt most Slavs have Indo-Iranian ancestors. Look, dipsh**, the Aryans who invaded Iran and India were descendants of the people who originally called themselves Aryan, just like I am. "Aryo-" came from Proto-Indo-European, not from Sanskrit or any intermediate forebears. Are you a Jew, or do you just play one on the Internet?
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 31, 2005 2:23:15 GMT -5
Mike! Calling yourself is one thing,being correct is another matter entirely...goes for anybody.Its self explanatory !
I'am not going to waste my time fighing over what he calls or wants to call himself.
This isnt about Bass!
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 31, 2005 2:31:42 GMT -5
lol... you're the one who hates "Semitic religions" such as Christianity. Who do you think you are to lecture me about something you don't even believe in? Not only are your claims insane, but contradictory. You assume my religion is based on Semitic mythology. Just because what I said sounded similar to the clap-trap you believe in... Everyone knows that the Jews stole all their ideas from somewhere else. Once-Aryan Persia, for instance. If you believe man was made in God's image, you believe in the same "claptrap" I believe in, my friend. Look, dipsh**, the Aryans who invaded Iran and India were descendants of the people who originally called themselves Aryan, just like I am. "Aryo-" came from Proto-Indo-European, not from Sanskrit or any intermediate forebears.Are you a Jew, or do you just play one on the Internet? Your first mistake: confusing the Indo-European language family with the Aryans (Indo-Iranians). Get with the times. Your second mistake: because you speak an Indo-European language, you assume you are in fact a descendant of the migrants who brought it to you. Language and race are two different things, buddy. Your third mistake: assuming the first speakers of Indo-European were Nordic. No evidence. Sorry. No, I am not a Jew. If you must know, I'm an American with Greek and Germanic ancestry. It's funny that you defend Nordicism and Aryanism, since these two movements have a long history of treating Slavs (or half-Slavs) like, well, like slaves. The Third Reich hated and dehumanized your people as much as the Bolsheviks. If the commies didn't brutalize your people, the Germans would have without a moment of hesitation. If it suited their purpose. It's all a mind game, you see. All about power and borrowed glory. And you fell for it. It's funny that you support a movement which can never seem to get its story straight. Can't even decide who is "Aryan" and who isn't half the time. Why? Because it's false, it's evil, and it's complete and utter madness.
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Post by manabovetime on Jul 31, 2005 3:07:35 GMT -5
No, I am not a Jew. If you must know, I'm an American with Greek and Germanic ancestry. As was noted elsewhere, you're also part Redskin. Which explains your racial attitudes. All your opinions are, uh, colored a certain way. [quote author=xcalator1 It's funny that you defend Nordicism and Aryanism, since these two movements have a long history of treating Slavs (or half-Slavs) like, well, like slaves. The Third Reich hated and dehumanized your people as much as the Bolsheviks. You don't even know what my ethnicity is. "Your people"? The Germans accepted REAL Slavs as fellow Aryans readily, as is evidenced by the countless Slavic names of party members/leaders and military personnel. Hell, Hitler even had a secretary named Daranowski. It was clear that Rosenberg, one of Hitler's most trusted comrades, planned for an independent and aligned Ukraine, along the lines of Slavic allies Croatia and Slovakia. Unfortunately, there are millions of non-Whites in Russia and Ukraine are NOT truly Slavic, and should be dealt with. Your perception of the Third Reich is entirely Kosher, and I'm fool for even trying to argue with someone like you.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 31, 2005 3:13:21 GMT -5
You are the grandson of a survivor of the Ukrainian genocide are you not? Wouldn't that make you at least 1/4 Ukrainian?
As for the Third Reich's poor attitude toward Slavs, like I said, if IT SUITED THEIR PURPOSES.
Thus my comment on why the movement you purport is idiocy. It can never get its story straight. Why? Because it's purely politically-motivated and has no substance. One minute Germans are the ideal Nordic race, the next not so much. One minute, "the Slavs are evil bastards that should be eradicated," the next "they're not so bad, I guess." The Germans made no distinction between "real Slavs" and "fake Slavs." A Slav is a Slav. A slave is a slave. It's all propaganda, anyway, so it doesn't matter how Hitler and gang truly felt about Slavs. Anything to make the Ruskys look bad.
Anyway, you're not a fool for arguing with me, you're just incapable of making any kind of a point because you believe in an insane, ungodly ideology that has been discarded as pseudoscience long ago.
Hey, I can't blame you for believing as you do, it obviously gives you something to believe in, but wrong is still wrong, friend. Evil is still evil. It's one thing to argue on a messageboard. It's another to push your perverted ideology in real life.
If push ever came to shove and I met you on a battlefield in the endtimes, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. No hard feelings.
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Post by Dalmar Barre on Jul 31, 2005 3:22:25 GMT -5
As was noted elsewhere, you're also part Redskin. Which explains your racial attitudes. All your opinions are, uh, colored a certain way. [quote author=xcalator1 It's funny that you defend Nordicism and Aryanism, since these two movements have a long history of treating Slavs (or half-Slavs) like, well, like slaves. The Third Reich hated and dehumanized your people as much as the Bolsheviks. You don't even know what my ethnicity is. "Your people"? You are not Aryan, this we do know.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 31, 2005 3:37:56 GMT -5
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Post by Dalmar Barre on Jul 31, 2005 3:49:56 GMT -5
Are these guys really a rock band? Rock music was created by black people, why can't they use their white, Nordic Aryan musical traditions the superior Nordic race uses?
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Post by IranianLion on Jul 31, 2005 9:32:31 GMT -5
Hey, I wouldn't mind if he went about calling himself a Kurgan or something. But Aryan? Come on, now. I highly doubt most Slavs have Indo-Iranian ancestors. Look, dipsh**, the Aryans who invaded Iran and India were descendants of the people who originally called themselves Aryan, just like I am. "Aryo-" came from Proto-Indo-European, not from Sanskrit or any intermediate forebears. Are you a Jew, or do you just play one on the Internet? Umm, no. Proto-Indo-Europeans did not call themselves Arya. If that was the case, Slavs, Tocharians, Hittites - and assorted other Indo-Europeans - would have called themselves Arya. Which they quite patently didn't. The Arya identity, and it is an ethnolinguistic identity not a genetic marker, was proclaimed by Indo-Iranians. As such, it must logically have developed after the split of the various Indo-European branches in the Indo-Iranian branch and only in that branch. Personally I am sceptical of the "Slavic R1b is the Arya genetic marker" in any case. There is no trace of R1b in the Shiraz area where the Persians settled. Nor is there in western Iran where the Medes settled. So if there was an Arya elite - naturally, Slavs - subjugating the primitive indigenous people where is the genetic trace of this elite in the seats of their power? Were they all wiped out? That's impossible. Further, Medes and Persians moved down into the Iranian plateau from the north-west, this we get from Mesopotamian sources and their own accounts. In that direction there is no R1b either. So one has to accept that the Persians and Medes, with the Mesopotamians conspiring with them, lied by saying that they came from the west when they actually came from the east. And the reason they lied would be? Beats me. Actually, the only reason the Arya identity is coveted is the achievements of the Persian and Roman Empires and ancient Greece. These achievements were made by Persians, Italians and Greeks, whatever their genetic markers. What this "Slavs are Arya" school wants us to believe is that Slavs lived in a backward, primitive (let's face it, it was in comparison) environment but when they started moving off to the four corners of the Earth they created some of the greatest empires the world has ever known, and made some of the most brilliant discoveries and inventions known to civilisation. Sounds like bullshit to me... I don't want to be offensive but what the hell did the Slavs ever achieve in the ancient world? So here's a simple test of who is Arya: If you are Iranian or Indian then you may justifiably call yourself Arya. If you are not, then you may not.
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Post by Polako on Jul 31, 2005 10:49:13 GMT -5
Look, dipsh**, the Aryans who invaded Iran and India were descendants of the people who originally called themselves Aryan, just like I am. "Aryo-" came from Proto-Indo-European, not from Sanskrit or any intermediate forebears. Are you a Jew, or do you just play one on the Internet? Umm, no. Proto-Indo-Europeans did not call themselves Arya. If that was the case, Slavs, Tocharians, Hittites - and assorted other Indo-Europeans - would have called themselves Arya. Which they quite patently didn't. The Arya identity, and it is an ethnolinguistic identity not a genetic marker, was proclaimed by Indo-Iranians. As such, it must logically have developed after the split of the various Indo-European branches in the Indo-Iranian branch and only in that branch. Personally I am sceptical of the "Slavic R1b is the Arya genetic marker" in any case. There is no trace of R1b in the Shiraz area where the Persians settled. Nor is there in western Iran where the Medes settled. So if there was an Arya elite - naturally, Slavs - subjugating the primitive indigenous people where is the genetic trace of this elite in the seats of their power? Were they all wiped out? That's impossible. Further, Medes and Persians moved down into the Iranian plateau from the north-west, this we get from Mesopotamian sources and their own accounts. In that direction there is no R1b either. So one has to accept that the Persians and Medes, with the Mesopotamians conspiring with them, lied by saying that they came from the west when they actually came from the east. And the reason they lied would be? Beats me. Actually, the only reason the Arya identity is coveted is the achievements of the Persian and Roman Empires and ancient Greece. These achievements were made by Persians, Italians and Greeks, whatever their genetic markers. What this "Slavs are Arya" school wants us to believe is that Slavs lived in a backward, primitive (let's face it, it was in comparison) environment but when they started moving off to the four corners of the Earth they created some of the greatest empires the world has ever known, and made some of the most brilliant discoveries and inventions known to civilisation. Sounds like bullshit to me... I don't want to be offensive but what the hell did the Slavs ever achieve in the ancient world? So here's a simple test of who is Arya: If you are Iranian or Indian then you may justifiably call yourself Arya. If you are not, then you may not. The Slavic marker in question is R1a1, not R1b. Get your facts straight. And the Iranians don't carry much R1a1, because most don't come from Indo-European stock. Early studies of ancient Indo-Iranians are already telling us that their bones are more similar to Poles and Russians than modern Iranians. And we'll see more studies like that in the future.
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