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Post by Ewig Berter on Jul 29, 2005 17:18:14 GMT -5
In the 90's, English-sapeaking genetists used "Berber" as a synonym of Tuareg: On the same Genetic map you'd find "Algerian" and then "Berber", As far away genitically as it gets; in their mind Algerian is the Coastal Berber/Arab, and the Berber is the southern saharan "Black" Berber, it was kind of funny to see "Algerian" clustering with Near easteners and Europeans whereas "Berber" did not... But fortunately, we getting a much better classification than Before... Many Afrocentrists do not know for example that except Tuareg, most of SAHARAN NW Africans have less than 30% sub-saharan Haplogroups. You guys sure are very insecure about a lot of things your "esteemed ancestors" did not even care one flying fig about. Talk about your parents who were racially unconcious, did inetrracial porno and begotted you ... NEs!?. I guess you are brazilian and SEX is all you can think of ... Only a small % of intelligent people could develop a certain interest in race issues, be racially concious etc. You obviously do not belong to them. Advice: go to the next beach and have fun! ;D
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Post by Ewig Berter on Jul 29, 2005 17:27:51 GMT -5
i'm not afraid of being classified black, berther, i'm not like you or igu, a member of pan-aryan site. it just amused me to be classified "paleo"(-)congo-id by some RAS posters, without knowing what's a congoid. or a "paleo" something. i don't feel threatened by black admixture but by semite ones who help "arabetisation" ! like all good berber i am, my contempt goes first to arabs. Amksa, from your thread Melani got the impression that you probably dislike the idea of probably having negroe blood. There are other cases who inspired her (f.e. masri's continous defence of Egypt's caucasoidness, etc.). Tell me, are afro girls easy to pick in France!?
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Post by amksa on Jul 29, 2005 17:30:04 GMT -5
Why are so many of you "off whites" afraid of having, no matter how remote, any Sub-Saharan DNA? It won't make you Black, no really and its great to have a little "flavor". Just be secure in your own "Whiteness" and CHILL! hey, melani ! aren't you the same melani who keeps continiously insulting north africans on RAS, making racist comments about them (us !) let me tell you about a thing we, "insecure" north africans, have : pride and old history, not an acuna matata disneyland one. we're not a "half cast" culture, our culture is plain berber, not a mix of every bullshits that one can see on mtv or in telnovelas on brazilan networks. berber is for real, not an internet invention like the mixed race... "mixed race" concept is for weak culture, without a tie which maintains people together. that's why berbers tend to be reactive when people try to claim or insult our culture. don't talk about race when you're talking about berbers, it's no relevant and just show how ignorant is an individual who's mixing race concept and berber culture.
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Post by Educate Me on Jul 29, 2005 19:06:58 GMT -5
brazilians are shinny happy people
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 29, 2005 21:47:14 GMT -5
Being American, I wouldn't be surprised if I had a black ancestor some where back there.
But ironically, it's not my American half that gets "Congocentrized," but rather my Hellenic half, with the whole "E3b means dem Greeks are Negroid!" which is of course complete folly.
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Post by Wadaad on Jul 29, 2005 23:08:01 GMT -5
i'm not afraid of being classified black, berther, i'm not like you or igu, a member of pan-aryan site. it just amused me to be classified "paleo"(-)congo-id by some RAS posters, without knowing what's a congoid. or a "paleo" something. i don't feel threatened by black admixture but by semite ones who help "arabetisation" ! like all good berber i am, my contempt goes first to arabs. Amksa, from your thread Melani got the impression that you probably dislike the idea of probably having negroe blood. There are other cases who inspired her (f.e. masri's continous defence of Egypt's caucasoidness, etc.). Tell me, are afro girls easy to pick in France!? actually in my case it was YOU who inspired me to think up a variety of theories as to Off whites vis a vis racial insecurity. Then I went to PANFF and it confirmed it. Amksa on the other hand seems legitimite and very secure. Also I do not see any meaningful sub saharan admixture in him, not like he cares anyway
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Post by masri on Jul 30, 2005 1:10:55 GMT -5
Amksa, from your thread Melani got the impression that you probably dislike the idea of probably having negroe blood. There are other cases who inspired her (f.e. masri's continous defence of Egypt's caucasoidness, etc.). Tell me, are afro girls easy to pick in France!? actually in my case it was YOU who inspired me to think up a variety of theories as to Off whites vis a vis racial insecurity. Then I went to PANFF and it confirmed it. Amksa on the other hand seems legitimite and very secure. Also I do not see any meaningful sub saharan admixture in him, not like he cares anyway You may have a case there about the whole "off-whites" thing. A lot of Anglo-Americans are happy when they find out they have distant black blood and even go around bragging about it and shit. But you have to understand how frustrating it is for off-whites, because in a white or black world they're often left hanging. The majority of Americans do not consider Middle Eastern people "white". Some don't even consider Jews white. Most Americans I know thought Morroccans were black. So it's that frustration from one side, and then from the other side you have Afrocentrists (in the case of Egyptians) trying to take ur past and fabricate lies about your genetics and stuff. It's much more complicated then "racial insecurity". I don't think Berter is racially insecure- he's 100% Caucasian and knows it.
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Post by amksa on Jul 30, 2005 3:52:26 GMT -5
i'm not afraid of being classified black, berther, i'm not like you or ***, a member of pan-***** site. it just amused me to be classified "paleo"(-)congo-id by some RAS posters, without knowing what's a congoid. or a "paleo" something. i don't feel threatened by black admixture but by semite ones who help "arabetisation" ! like all good berber i am, my contempt goes first to arabs. Amksa, from your thread Melani got the impression that you probably dislike the idea of probably having negroe blood. There are other cases who inspired her (f.e. masri's continous defence of Egypt's caucasoidness, etc.). Tell me, are afro girls easy to pick in France!? not that easy, berter, or not that interesting i should add, people are the same in france, same mentallity, they're not really sharp and separate groups in france, bellicose with each others, like in usa where people of different groups have their own "propaganda" to discuss/claim, here in france everybody is subjucated to the same propaganda : "fear the maghrebis !" héhé. black folks are racist from what i' ve noticed in france, they have something that i never saw on RAS forum posters : pride (apart from the somali posters like wadaad who are proud of what they are), african here in france never tried to cluster with maghrebis telling them that they are the same people, but i think that blacks follow the french's conduite much more than any other immigrants, along the invisible chinese : one can find maghrebis girls with black men, but not the opposite. either maghrebis men do prefere whiter chicks (which i see more often here) or black folks don't want maghrebis dating "their" daughters, sisters, etc. (which is possible because africans here are very conservative and quite ethnocentric attitude : melani can talk about her so beloved black folks but the ones i know will never embrace her "half cast" confused mind as theirs.) melani is a troll, even by RAS forum standards, from what i've read there, she isn't appreciated neither by white people who posts there nor by real black folks... she continiously makes remarks against north africans, it's not the first time. i don't care about having black blood, it's not they are so threatening that i should start fear them, berter, i'm shluh, i'm neither a "wasp" nor an arab, nobody scare me. i'm not like such people, i don't fear the black man like them : wasp and arab fear the black africans, they consider them like terrible beasts : i've noticed such cowardliness even among french people. i've just thought that my "paleo-congoity" status was an interesting matter to discuss here, but if it offend people i can remove it. i forget that some trolls like melani always keep thoughtful eyes on our existence, "insecure" berbers, insecure about what ? more than 3000 of history ? i forget that once she came here under the pseudo "frenzydancer" and attack once and again berbers. what made me angry first is that you shouldn't, both igu and you, answer her thread, because she's a troll not a "real" poster. plus she know nothing on berbers, i never saw her on thread i opend on berber culture. looking for halle berry posts is probably what she knows the best.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jul 30, 2005 4:45:28 GMT -5
Fear of a Black planet? Be careful that you don't date yourself with Old School rap references. It takes a nation of millions to hold me back while I fight the power on Dodona. Please don't smite me for changing the subject and hijacking the thread. ;-)
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jul 30, 2005 6:12:07 GMT -5
I thought the current belief system about human origins assumes that the first humans were black skinned, that is dark brown for you pedantic ones. The first humans are assumed to be negroid looking as well. So what happened since the exodus out of Africa?
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Post by amksa on Jul 30, 2005 7:01:04 GMT -5
The first humans are assumed to be negroid looking as well. So what happened since the exodus out of Africa? oh, ponto, you know how it works : children always say to their parents that they will call regularly, writing letter, etc. but generally they don't.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Jul 30, 2005 11:59:05 GMT -5
Amksa, from your thread Melani got the impression that you probably dislike the idea of probably having negroe blood. There are other cases who inspired her (f.e. masri's continous defence of Egypt's caucasoidness, etc.). Tell me, are afro girls easy to pick in France!? actually in my case it was YOU who inspired me to think up a variety of theories as to Off whites vis a vis racial insecurity. Could you expand on HOW did I inspire you that theory!?. Whats special about my contributions here... Mr. Freud! Could you provide links to PANFF proving that. Yes, Amksa has no SS input, not that your 'eyes' are that reliable --- remember that you saw khoisanid admixture in this 'pure' amazigh girl!? ;D What about this one Wadaad!?
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Post by Charlie Bass on Jul 30, 2005 12:47:30 GMT -5
Sub-Saharans are currently a mere 7% of the human population, and, due to disease and malnutrition, that number is plummeting fast. Fear of a Black Planet? Hardly! Fear of an "Asian" planet is more likely, statistically. P.S.--Black Africa's population is dropping fast, but, even in the United States, "blacks" are already up to 30% Caucasoid. Cavalli-Sforza says that, in 1,000 years--at current rates of mixture--America will have absorbed its black populace (as Mexico and Argentina have). So, even in the wealthier Western Hemisphere, they're disappearing fast. Black American are 6-17% European, not 30% Caucasian.
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Post by Charlie Bass on Jul 30, 2005 12:55:32 GMT -5
Why are so many of you "off whites" afraid of having, no matter how remote, any Sub-Saharan DNA? It won't make you Black, no really and its great to have a little "flavor". Just be secure in your own "Whiteness" and CHILL! I answered this in another post that had the same question: -If anyone posts any thing about sub-saharan (or from any other region) influence in North Africa, I'd take, it interests me... But if a retareded person tries to use recently mixed Berbers like the tuareg to prove that Jughurta, Massinissa, Tariq Ibn Zyad were Black and that present day Berber are just a result of Arab and Roman mix, it irritates me. -It also irritates me to see Tuareg being presented as a representitive sample of Berbers whereas it has been proven by many genecists that they are outliers. -As for your pschological "mulatoid" problems, I don't care. What proof do you have that Tuaregs were originally 'pure' Berbers that became 'blackened'? Tuaregs have 34% E1 and though E1 is sub-Saharan its fairly geographically restricted to Saharan black populations. Plus the Tuaregs nearest genetic 'neighbors' are the Beja of the Red Sea Hills, so unless you want to say the same thing for Bejas you have no argument here. Tuaregs are 'Berbers' linguistically, whats so hard to see about that? When did anyone use Berbers as the representative Berber population? Quit setting up stupid strawmen to knock down. Plese quote those geneticists who say Tuaregs are outliers.
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Post by Charlie Bass on Jul 30, 2005 13:01:37 GMT -5
Good point!. Almost all geneticial studies on Berbers use southern sample populations, generally black admixed and, thus, unreprsentative. In the 90's, English-sapeaking genetists used "Berber" as a synonym of Tuareg: Totally ridiculous, ask the average English speaker about a Berber and they are not going to think Tuareg first. You're just too damn thick paranoid strawman talk. Like who the Sahawri? Whats with this Congocentric jive talk, you making up words that don't exist? Please don't enter into a topic talking off-topic and setting stupid strawmen arguments. I've been gone for a couple of days but now I'm back.
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