Guess their ethnicity

[quarryman]

And discuss treir anthropological features.

[zemelmete]

Country could be Russia (Siberia).

Ethnicity - hard to say, maybe they are descendants of some repressed european population, which stayed in Siberia. Or maybe they are russians who live in Siberia.

[eds]

the pictures are too small to clearly observe their facial features.

As it has been said, could be Russians from some place in Siberia? or Caussian people? or highlander Balkanians?

[eds]

the girl (third picture in first column) remind me of an ethnic goranci i know.

Goranci (or Gorani) are a southern Slavic people living in highlands of southern Kosovo in the south of Prizren (the mountanous areas between Albanian and FYROM), who speaks a language closely related to Serbian, and who are predominantly Muslims.

[quarryman]

They are Rusyns from the eastern Carpathians, in this particular case the settlement Obcina in the Romanian region of Maramures. The Rusyn-speakers are an autochtone minority directly at the Ukrainian border.

In my opinion, this population is a good example of Dinaricized East Baltids: relatively light pigmentation, very high and broad foreheads, relatively narrow face.


I also agree with Begovitch that many of them well could be from the Balkans (in my ignorance, I think many of them resemble Bosnians). It's notable how few Alpinid features you find.

[eds]

Those faces looked so familiar for me, but I didn't go with Bosnians, because although their physical features are very similar to most Bosnian highlander villagers, but they seemed to me lighter than an average Bosnian group... although Bosnians can be very light, especially in eastern parts of Bosnia...

[quarryman]

However, it's interesting that the populations have such similar features with the broad band of (pred. Alpinid) Hungarians and (pred Dinarid and Mediterranid) Romanians living between.

[zeugeniu]

quarryman said:

They are Rusyns from the eastern Carpathians, in this particular case the settlement Obcina in the Romanian region of Maramures. The Rusyn-speakers are an autochtone minority directly at the Ukrainian border.

In my opinion, this population is a good example of Dinaricized East Baltids: relatively light pigmentation, very high and broad foreheads, relatively narrow face.


I also agree with Begovitch that many of them well could be from the Balkans (in my ignorance, I think many of them resemble Bosnians). It's notable how few Alpinid features you find.

They are slavicized dacians/romanians. Most rusyns and hutuls have the same origin as romanians, but they were totaly assimilated in language by the slavs, while romanians only like 20% (the percent of slavic words in Romanian, althou most are not widley used).

[quarryman]

zeugeniu said:

They are slavicized dacians/romanians. Most rusyns and hutuls have the same origin as romanians, but they were totaly assimilated in language by the slavs, while romanians only like 20% (the percent of slavic words in Romanian, althou most are not widley used).

Well, I don't think you can put it that way. It's self evident when you compare with how their Romanian neighbour's look (absence of East Baltid features, much darker pigmentation).

But of all Ukrainian tribes, they are the most influenced by the Romanian shepherds that colonized the Carpathian pastures beginning some 800 years ago. This colonization reached westwards to the Czech republic, but it's obvious how the Dinarid features decrease on the way. So, among all Slavonic-speaking inhabitants of the Carpathians, the Rusyns in general and Hutsuls in particular are most influenced by the ancestors of today's Romania.

[zeugeniu]

quarryman said:

zeugeniu said:

They are slavicized dacians/romanians. Most rusyns and hutuls have the same origin as romanians, but they were totaly assimilated in language by the slavs, while romanians only like 20% (the percent of slavic words in Romanian, althou most are not widley used).

Well, I don't think you can put it that way. It's self evident when you compare with how their Romanian neighbour's look (absence of East Baltid features, much darker pigmentation).

But of all Ukrainian tribes, they are the most influenced by the Romanian shepherds that colonized the Carpathian pastures beginning some 800 years ago. This colonization reached westwards to the Czech republic, but it's obvious how the Dinarid features decrease on the way. So, among all Slavonic-speaking inhabitants of the Carpathians, the Rusyns in general and Hutsuls in particular are most influenced by the ancestors of today's Romania.

You might be right. But they look typical romanian to me.

[Platypus]

Andy Warhol was of Rusyn origin if I'm right

[quarryman]

platypus said:

Andy Warhol was of Rusyn origin if I'm right

Yes, but from a racially much more Alpinid area (even if mr Warhol himself is quite "East Baltid") in NE Slovakia close to the Polish border.