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Post by eufrenio on Jul 15, 2005 8:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jul 15, 2005 9:14:32 GMT -5
Here's a link to the surname origin of Gable [in Sussex, England] from the website "House of Names". www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/s.Gable/Origin.EN/sId./qx/coatofarms_details.htm If indeed the American actor is of English extraction (as is most likely the case since he was born in Anglo-America of parents who lived there before the massive infusion of "new immigrants") then Gable would have to be listed as "Atlanto-Mediterranean". He's clearly got olive skin, a low Mediterranean hair-line and black hair. He reminds me of a darker version of the "Ernest Hemingway" model. In fact, Gable was the only believable actor in Hollywood who could portray Hemingway characters on the silver screen. The rest of the actors seemed, by comparison, milky, effeminate and mincing. All hail Gable! |
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Post by Platypus on Jul 15, 2005 15:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 15, 2005 16:01:42 GMT -5
I think hes some form of Alpine,He has a rather circular shaped head and small face.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jul 15, 2005 16:05:37 GMT -5
Wow! Gable is of German extraction?
He's so rough-looking for a German. Usually, the dark German type is more refined-looking . . . like Austrian actor Maximilian Schell.
Gable doesn't look Central European at all to me. Not alpine, nor dinaric, and certainly not "nordic".
If he's indeed German, perhaps he's only a small part German.
I've never met a Central European who looked anything like him.
Germans range from the tall fat oafish people referred to by German-American author Henry Miller as "sodden northern oafs" to the ruddy, stout types in Bavaria. None are characteristically as robust and ruggedly handsome as Clark Gable. Nor as typically "swarthy".
Certainly there are some dark--non-Dinaric--German types in the north. But they're usually skinny monkey-like men like the shrimpy Josef Goebbels.
Come to think of it: "Gable" might be related to the surname "Goebbel". Think about it.
Oh, well.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 15, 2005 16:09:26 GMT -5
If you want to see the Dark haired ,Blue Eyed German with rugged but good looks for a man ...then look up Actor Robert Taylor!
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Post by Platypus on Jul 15, 2005 16:41:10 GMT -5
Please classify Clark Gable:  Look at browridges..they come out quite a lot, forhead sloping too...Borreby derived? |
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 15, 2005 16:59:50 GMT -5
his head shape looks to me like that bust of General Gaius Marius(minis Marius' full lips,and receding hairline).
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jul 15, 2005 17:04:51 GMT -5
Another dark German actor in America is James Garner: Olive skin, pitch-black hair, brown eyes, etc. But--unlike Clark Gable--Garner has refined Central European features to offset his dark complexion.
Garner was, incidentally, born James Baumgardner. On many antisemitic websites, they incorrectly list the Oklahoma-born actor as "Jewish," one suspects because of the "Baum" in his family name. Apparently, they don't know that "Baum" isn't necessarily Jewish. It's the same thing that made antisemites in 19th Century England assume [incorrectly] that author Sir Max Beerbohm was Jewish. [The original spelling of his surname was Beerbaum--centuries earlier before the family emigrated from Germany.]
Blond, blue-eyed British actor Derek Jacobi has to undergo the same silliness. Jacobi with an "I" is Prussian and in no way, shape or form Jewish. While Jacoby with a "y" is typically Hebrew.
Oh, well!
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 15, 2005 17:14:09 GMT -5
Droop i read from a few sources that James Garner is also part Cherokee Indian..I think it was also mentioned even on some Biography of his on TV.
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Post by hs on Jul 15, 2005 19:29:30 GMT -5
Another dark German actor in America is James Garner: Olive skin, pitch-black hair, brown eyes, etc. But--unlike Clark Gable--Garner has refined Central European features to offset his dark complexion. Garner was, incidentally, born James Baumgardner. On many antisemitic websites, they incorrectly list the Oklahoma-born actor as "Jewish," one suspects because of the "Baum" in his family name. Apparently, they don't know that "Baum" isn't necessarily Jewish. It's the same thing that made antisemites in 19th Century England assume [incorrectly] that author Sir Max Beerbohm was Jewish. [The original spelling of his surname was Beerbaum--centuries earlier before the family emigrated from Germany.] Blond, blue-eyed British actor Derek Jacobi has to undergo the same silliness. Jacobi with an "I" is Prussian and in no way, shape or form Jewish. While Jacoby with a "y" is typically Hebrew. Oh, well! Well said, Drooperdoo.  Surnames can be misleading, especially if one wants to distinguish Germans from German Jews. My surname (Jacob, originally Jacobs) is genuinely German, from a small rural peasantry area of Rhineland. There are many people carrying this surname Jacobs (or Jacobson) throughout the entire Germanic world, people who arent Jewish or Jewish related at all, though there are Jews with this family name, and hence the confusion. The same goes to the many Adams, Simon (Simons), etc, who are genuine Teutonic folks. The opposite thing can happen as well. Ive met a Jewish family here whose surname was Wagner. And there are even Jews whose surname is Hitler... Every now and then people take me as a Jew. Today at my work two colleagues insisted Im Jewish...   Jews cant be identified solely by names, and people should know about it. Not that Im annoyed to be taken as Jewish (not at all), but theres a lot of confusion about identifying Jews by names. Concerning German looks, Id say that Germans can be very rough or archaic looking. British and Scandinavian (the Nordic ones, not the non white looking ones from Scandinavia, i mean) seem to be finer featured than Germans, as a whole. That Nazi, Rudolf Hess (his son too), for example, was quite primitive looking (almost Neanderthal like), imo. |
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Post by hs on Jul 15, 2005 21:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by humantag on Jul 15, 2005 21:37:27 GMT -5
hs wrote: "...the legendary German football player Paul Breitner, though he had a very thin and prominent nose, looks very cave man like, dont you agree ? " ... legendary German football player ... who could he have in mind ... Joe Theismann? ... OHHHH!!! - NOW I KNOW - You mean SOCCER player. OK... Maybe. Anyhoo - 4 questions: (1) What is a cave man? (2) What does a cave man look like? (3) How did you come to know what a cave man looks like? (4) Can you show us a picture of one (other than this very 1970s looking German dude)? |
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jul 15, 2005 22:59:43 GMT -5
HS,
Yes, Jacobs or Jacob can also be French Huguenot. French Protestants, trying to throw off the yolk of Catholicism in an effort to get back to the "original," simpler version of Christianity broke tradition and started naming their kids with names from the Old Testament. [Up till then Gentiles named from the New Testament and Jews from the Old Testament.] The Protestant countries reversed this trend--so in America, for instance, Samuel had no Jewish connotation. So America's symbol was "Uncle Sam". Abraham Lincoln was an "Abraham," but it had no air of the Hebrew clinging to it.
Likewise among the French Huguenots. They started naming their kids Abraham, David, Daniel, Solomon, Jacob, etc. So when surnames became instituted a century later, someone would ask, "What's your father's name?" whereupon a French Huguenot would say, "Jacob". So the family surname became Jacobs--with zero Jewish ancestry.
Antisemites see these names and think [erroneously] that all Jacobs are Jews. Or all Abrams--not knowing that it can also be Scottish or French Huguenot, etc.
P.S.--And, no, in case anyone posts with this silliness: French Huguenots were NOT crypto-Jews from Spain hiding in France (as some conspiracy theoriests advance). They had "Jewish-sounding names" for the aforementioned reason, and were composed of Gentiles who followed the teachings of John Calvin. They were also persecuted by the Catholics like Jews. But the two groups were distinct.
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Post by murphee on Jul 16, 2005 0:43:30 GMT -5
Surnames can indeed be difficult to decipher; for example, my father's Russian Jewish family changed its name after arriving in America in 1907 to a common British last name and my Jewish mother's family name was a common German one shared by Jews and Gentiles.
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Surnames can be misleading, especially if one wants to distinguish Germans from German Jews. My surname (Jacob, originally Jacobs) is genuinely German, from a small rural peasantry area of Rhineland. There are many people carrying this surname Jacobs (or Jacobson) throughout the entire Germanic world, people who arent Jewish or Jewish related at all, though there are Jews with this family name, and hence the confusion. The same goes to the many Adams, Simon (Simons), etc, who are genuine Teutonic folks. The opposite thing can happen as well. Ive met a Jewish family here whose surname was Wagner. And there are even Jews whose surname is Hitler... Every now and then people take me as a Jew. Today at my work two colleagues insisted Im Jewish... 
Jews cant be identified solely by names, and people should know about it. Not that Im annoyed to be taken as Jewish (not at all), but theres a lot of confusion about identifying Jews by names.
