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Post by mike2 on Apr 12, 2005 19:59:05 GMT -5
He is sooooo not full-blooded Lebanese.
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Post by racer1 on Apr 13, 2005 6:49:03 GMT -5
Apparently this site says he is Lebanese American: click here. He looks more Northwestern European like English or Germanic because of his overbite teeth like the English. I have met and befriended full Lebanese Americans and he still doesn’t look like them. A few of them have green or hazel eyes and light skin pigmentation but they look Mediterranean like the ones I posted pics of. He still could be a quarter or half Lebanese. Lebanese and other middle eastern people have been immigrating to the US since the American Civil War like other immigrants such as my people. So he could be an American of mixed Caucasoid ancestry. This is his official bio. click here It only talks about his career not really his ancestry.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 13, 2005 11:04:34 GMT -5
Just because a website claims John Elway is PART lebanese it doesn't mean its a fact. Notice how only the Lebanese websites it claims him as Lebanese.It doesn't say on John Elways biograhpy of him being part lebanese. Why would it though? Many biographies don't talk about ancestry, unless you directly came across to our shores in your lifetime. There would really be no reason for a bio to mention his lebanese ancestry unless he came to this country directly from Lebanon or his parents did. Beyond that, bios many times don't talk about what your ethnic background is, because they would have to mention everything like Irish, German, etc.
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Post by Tony on Apr 13, 2005 11:15:12 GMT -5
Lebanese are mix of cultures and ethnicities, most of them are of (1)Phoenician, (2) Syriac or (3)Arabic origins. In addition to M.E. features, we have lost of blonds with blue eyes, we also have people with green eyes, some have red hair etc.. Here is how Lebanese look: www.lgic.org/en/photos4_music.php..and Yes Lebanese is a language that is different from Arabic, though it has a good mix of Arabic in it. The people born of Lebanese parents in the US and can speak fluent Lebanese, they can hardly understand any Arabic (formal Arabic) or even Egyptian. They are different languages (maybe the were dialects long time ago, just like Italian and Spanish were just dialects of Latin 1500 years ago) - it is a common mistake to call all these languages Arabic. www.LGIC.org explains correctly the differences and mixture in the Lebanese culture, the numbers and percentages are the closest to reality .. They have different percentages for people in Lebanon, and those in the US, which makes it more reliable.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 13, 2005 12:56:34 GMT -5
She is one of my favorite arab artists.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 13, 2005 12:57:47 GMT -5
Lebanese are mix of cultures and ethnicities, most of them are of (1)Phoenician, (2) Syriac or (3)Arabic origins. In addition to M.E. features, we have lost of blonds with blue eyes, we also have people with green eyes, some have red hair etc.. Here is how Lebanese look: www.lgic.org/en/photos4_music.php..and Yes Lebanese is a language that is different from Arabic, though it has a good mix of Arabic in it. The people born of Lebanese parents in the US and can speak fluent Lebanese, they can hardly understand any Arabic (formal Arabic) or even Egyptian. They are different languages (maybe the were dialects long time ago, just like Italian and Spanish were just dialects of Latin 1500 years ago) - it is a common mistake to call all these languages Arabic. www.LGIC.org explains correctly the differences and mixture in the Lebanese culture, the numbers and percentages are the closest to reality .. They have different percentages for people in Lebanon, and those in the US, which makes it more reliable. Is lebanese dialect close to Jordanian?
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Post by Tony on Apr 13, 2005 13:06:12 GMT -5
Lebanese, Jordanian, Palestinian and Estaern Syrian dialects are of the same branch (developed from the same same mix of Aramiac, Arabic and Turkish). So those who can speak Lebanese can understand Jordanian and visa versa (unless it was Badewen Jordanian) ;D However, they will not be able to understand Arabic (unless they studied at schools) More questions & answers about Lebanese language and its relation with Arabic and other dialects/languages of the region: www.abcleb.com/lebanese/faq.htm
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 13, 2005 13:16:40 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't see the point in pointing out that someone is 1/4 something? I mean, how many people consider Kate Beckinsale Burmese (I believe she's 1/4 Burmese)? Even if Elway has Lebanese ancestry, it's probably rather small and not really worth mentioning.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 13, 2005 13:23:03 GMT -5
"Due to being one of the most popular languages of television and entertainment production, most of the people in the Arabic countries understand Lebanese. The Lebanese songs and television production attract over 200 million from the region between the Arabic/Persian Gulf and Morocco. This applies to the many immigrants from that region to the Americas attracting several million there"
Hmm..interesting. I was under the impression that Egyptian was the best to learn for being understood.
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Post by Tony on Apr 13, 2005 13:45:47 GMT -5
Egyptian language is More common than Lebanese, but the great media production of Lebanon in the past decades made Lebanese sort of catch up with Egyptian. Still, Egyptian is spoken by more people (70 million Egyptians vs 3 million Lebanese).
some 40 years ago, Lebanese TV used to produce programs in Arabic instead of Lebanese, becuase less people could understand Lebanese then. But with more media production, Lebanese language became more popular to "compete" with Egyptian.
If you pick a mixed with songs from Arabic Countries, a good odd will be to include 4 Egptian songs, and 4 Lebanese out of 10, while the rest would be some Arabian-Gulf language, or African-Arabic dialects.
"...Lebanese is one of the most understandable languages among the Arab States*. In the past fifty years, thousands of songs, poems and books, and hundreds of plays and screenplays have been written in Lebanese. The Egyptian language has also been growing in popularity in the past century due to its tremendous media productions in the region."
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Post by alexandrian on Apr 13, 2005 18:27:35 GMT -5
"Due to being one of the most popular languages of television and entertainment production, most of the people in the Arabic countries understand Lebanese. The Lebanese songs and television production attract over 200 million from the region between the Arabic/Persian Gulf and Morocco. This applies to the many immigrants from that region to the Americas attracting several million there" Hmm..interesting. I was under the impression that Egyptian was the best to learn for being understood. Of course it is. Egyptian is probably the most widely-understood Arabic dialect BY FAR. In the 60s, Egypt was the third-largest movie-producing country in the world. Although recently Lebanon has caught up to Egypt in media production (not so much in movies, but it has caught up in music, and shows) the biggest Ramadan shows tend to be Egyptian. It is beyond doubt that Egyptians and Lebanese control the Arabic entertainment industry, especially the music industry.
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Post by regularGuy on Apr 13, 2005 21:47:01 GMT -5
You have to understand that lebanon is very diverse. There are many people with blue/green eyes in lebanon. There is are also people with light coloured hair, and features you normally wouldn't associate with a lebanese.
So he COULD pass for a full blooded lebanese but people like him are rare. I know lebanese with light hair, very light eyes... And i also know dark skinned lebanese... Forget know, some of these people are actually in my family!
There really isn't an "average" looking lebanese because its so diverse.... you get light people, middle ground people, and dark people... But if there is an average looking leb he definatly isnt it.
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Post by KLI on Apr 13, 2005 22:10:00 GMT -5
Regular guy, Lebanese are truly diverse, and alot of their population are very fair skinned...but I never saw a full fledged Lebanese looking like Elway. LOL!
(edit) keep in mind there many lebanese who are as fair-skinned as him, and have similar hair and eye colour, but his features scream north european
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Post by regularGuy on Apr 14, 2005 9:47:50 GMT -5
(edit) keep in mind there many lebanese who are as fair-skinned as him, and have similar hair and eye colour, but his features scream north european Yeah I think so too.
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Post by Tony on Apr 14, 2005 10:03:42 GMT -5
Regular guy, Lebanese are truly diverse, and alot of their population are very fair skinned...but I never saw a full fledged Lebanese looking like Elway. LOL! (edit) keep in mind there many lebanese who are as fair-skinned as him, and have similar hair and eye colour, but his features scream north european I am a full Lebanese, my grandfather has the same features of John Elway, blue eyes, light skin etc.. Also my first cousin looks the same.. My mother side of the family has Meditern. features. We have lots of Lebanese who have north European features.. We are a big mix of cultures and ethnicities, and we're not talking hundreds of years, this has been mixing for thousands of years. John El could have been born for both Lebanese parents and still have these features. www.LGIC.org
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