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Post by k5125 on Apr 11, 2005 12:11:57 GMT -5
Man, this sure combats the stereotypes of middle easterners by the western media. I am shocked myself.  |
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Post by buddyrydell on Apr 11, 2005 12:58:00 GMT -5
Wow? Even his features don't even look vaguely Levantine. Maybe he's half?
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Post by NuSapiens on Apr 11, 2005 17:02:17 GMT -5
I've known people of partly Lebanese ancestry that look like this. They attributed it to Crusader blood.
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Post by Italian Stallion on Apr 11, 2005 17:55:48 GMT -5
I really don't think he's 100% lebanese. He's probably 25% or something. Someone do a google search.
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Post by alexandrian on Apr 11, 2005 18:07:19 GMT -5
Are you sure John Elway is Lebanese? I know Doug Flutie was, but John Elway? It seems us "ARab-Americans" have a knack for sports. Seriously though, he's not full Lebanese. People with anglicized last names tend to be the descendants of immigrants in the 1880s and 1890s who assimilated into American culture and married into previously existing WASP groups. I seriously doubt he had any cultural connection to Lebanon.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 11, 2005 20:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by alexandrian on Apr 11, 2005 20:22:47 GMT -5
Jeff George is true, and I found the same link. But it seems to be some sort of Phoenician nationalist group. It calims Lebanese-Americans speak "Lebanese" and "Arabic" as if they were two different languages. They are not. It says 90% of Lebanese are "Phoenician" and the others are either "Armenian" or "Arab". I also doubt that only 10% of Lebanese-Americans are Muslims, but it's not too unrealistic. Truth be told, the site doesn't seem too dependable. But I don't doubt that 3 million Americans or more have some Lebanese blood, but honestly, when does someone start being considered "American" and stop being considered "Lebanese-American"? John Elway could easily be a 1/4 Leb though..
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Post by k5125 on Apr 11, 2005 20:29:14 GMT -5
Yeah, that site always confused me with classifying Lebanese as "neo aramaic" rather than arabic.
The Phoenician thing was always kind of wierd too.
What are most lebanese descended from though? They certainly aren't from arabians right?
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Post by alexandrian on Apr 11, 2005 21:27:47 GMT -5
Yeah, that site always confused me with classifying Lebanese as "neo aramaic" rather than arabic. The Phoenician thing was always kind of wierd too. What are most lebanese descended from though? They certainly aren't from arabians right? of course they're not Arabs, and they are of PHoenician descent. But it's just weird to characterize themselves as such. It's like Egyptians calling themselves Pharaonic, Italians Etruscan, or Mexicans Mayans. And Lebanese language is Arabic, there is no separate language called "Lebanese" as they would have you believe. |
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Post by gambler32 on Apr 11, 2005 22:46:16 GMT -5
Man, this sure combats the stereotypes of middle easterners by the western media. I am shocked myself. I doubt he has some Lebanese ancestry. |
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 12, 2005 5:29:21 GMT -5
Funny how you won't see a face like that on a homepage with pictures from Lebanon. He might very well have Lebanese ancestry, but hardly enough to call himself Lebanese-American. I would go with 25% Lebanese. It's not so much the colouring, but more the bone structure of his face that tells me he's more NW European than Lebanese.
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Post by racer1 on Apr 12, 2005 5:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 12, 2005 6:30:54 GMT -5
I do not know what the man considers himself as, but if it is Lebanese American it is for him to decide. All those American people who are real Lebanese have or will have children and grandchildren who like Mr. Elway will not be real Lebanese either. I have met enough Lebanese to know that some of them are quite fair and have names like Malouf and Saliba. Elway seems like an anglicized name anyway. When Lebanese people say they speak Lebanese they mean their dialect of vernacular Arabic as compared to MSA or FusHa. I do not understand any of these Arabics, but they should be placed into different branches as they do not seem to be very mutually intelligible.
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Post by k5125 on Apr 12, 2005 10:05:40 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody has at least said he is half lebanese.
Why all the 25%? Im just curious.
Also, his name El-Way...it has an arabic ring to it does it not? Not that names really matter because a lot of people have completely different last names than their ancestors.
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Post by gambler32 on Apr 12, 2005 19:57:16 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody has at least said he is half lebanese. Why all the 25%? Im just curious. Also, his name El-Way...it has an arabic ring to it does it not? Not that names really matter because a lot of people have completely different last names than their ancestors. Just because a website claims John Elway is PART lebanese it doesn't mean its a fact. Notice how only the Lebanese websites it claims him as Lebanese.It doesn't say on John Elways biograhpy of him being part lebanese. |
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