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Post by Josh on Jan 16, 2006 9:33:49 GMT -5
I mentioned this in another thread, but I understood that 'white' was first used by Spaniards in the Americas to differentiate themselves from the Amerindians that they met. Eufrenio, Drooperdoo, or any other poster here, Iberian or otherwise, can you verify or debunk this statement? Welch history with the arrival the anglo saxon.They bare the name which was bestowed upon them by the saxons Could you rephrase that? I can't understand what you're trying to say. But first, let me see if I got it. Welsh people were named "Welsh" by the Anglo-Saxons, and "Welsh" means "white"? Did I get it?
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 9:36:43 GMT -5
Medits who look like Turks and Arabs like to think of themselves as being just as white as anglo-saxons. Why the obsession? Turks are medits and many "arabs" look like medits. Why the obession with a word that is not valid? Seems to me you enjoy the nazi/racist classifications. So are you saying the Medit[short for Mediterraenan]Race does not exist? I happen to think it doesn't. Medophiles when discussing their medophalia like to just slap the invalid Medit race taxon to any "Caucasoid" that doesn't look like a Northern and or central European. they should quit the medophalia and properly classify people.
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Post by ratrace on Jan 16, 2006 9:37:32 GMT -5
Welch history with the arrival the anglo saxon.They bare the name which was bestowed upon them by the saxons Could you rephrase that? I can't understand what you're trying to say. But first, let me see if I got it. Welsh people were named "Welsh" by the Anglo-Saxons, and "Welsh" means "white"? Did I get it? Welsh means alien/outsiders i.e not like anglo saxons.
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Post by Josh on Jan 16, 2006 9:38:35 GMT -5
Could you rephrase that? I can't understand what you're trying to say. But first, let me see if I got it. Welsh people were named "Welsh" by the Anglo-Saxons, and "Welsh" means "white"? Did I get it? Welsh means alien/outsiders i.e not like anglo saxons. And the Anglo-Saxons called themselves "white"? Is that documented?
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Post by ratrace on Jan 16, 2006 9:40:11 GMT -5
Turks are medits and many "arabs" look like medits. Why the obession with a word that is not valid? Seems to me you enjoy the nazi/racist classifications. So are you saying the Medit[short for Mediterraenan]Race does not exist? I happen to think it doesn't. Medophiles when discussing their medophalia like to just slap the invalid Medit race taxon to any "Caucasoid" that doesn't look like a Northern and or central European. they should quit the medophalia and properly classify people. No "white" race doesnt exist.Caucasoid race does. Who are the Medophalias? Med race exists ask any forsenic anthrolopogist they can narrow it down that far.
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Post by ratrace on Jan 16, 2006 9:41:45 GMT -5
Welsh means alien/outsiders i.e not like anglo saxons. And the Anglo-Saxons called themselves "white"? Is that documented? What i am saying is Welsh not blonde and blue eyed like Anglo Saxons hence why they thought of others as not the same.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 9:56:18 GMT -5
So are you saying the Medit[short for Mediterraenan]Race does not exist? I happen to think it doesn't. Medophiles when discussing their medophalia like to just slap the invalid Medit race taxon to any "Caucasoid" that doesn't look like a Northern and or central European. they should quit the medophalia and properly classify people. No "white" race doesnt exist.Caucasoid race does. Who are the Medophalias? Med race exists ask any forsenic anthrolopogist they can narrow it down that far. the medit race doesn't exist and how can people as variable as southern Europeans, Arabs, turks and Northern Indians all be lumped together in one big nondescript Medit race while at the same time advocating that east and west Africans are of a different race? that Medophile logic, just check Dienekes posts.
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Post by ratrace on Jan 16, 2006 9:59:27 GMT -5
No "white" race doesnt exist.Caucasoid race does. Who are the Medophalias? Med race exists ask any forsenic anthrolopogist they can narrow it down that far. the medit race doesn't exist and how can people as variable as southern Europeans, Arabs, turks and Northern Indians all be lumped together in one big nondescript Medit race while at the same time advocating that east and west Africans are of a different race? that Medophile logic, just check Dienekes posts. Then you have a beef with forsenic anthrolopogy. Any other beefs with the sciences department?
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 16, 2006 10:18:03 GMT -5
the medit race doesn't exist and how can people as variable as southern Europeans, Arabs, turks and Northern Indians all be lumped together in one big nondescript Medit race while at the same time advocating that east and west Africans are of a different race? that Medophile logic, just check Dienekes posts. Then you have a beef with forsenic anthrolopogy. Any other beefs with the sciences department? Show me the money. Forensics believe in race because they use such skeletal features to aid in solving crimes but they do often screw up quite a bit like in this example: Picture released in unsolved 1994 homicide Last updated Jan 25 2005 11:59 AM EST CBC News York Regional Police have released drawings of an unidentified woman whose badly burned body was found in an industrial park more than 10 years ago. A police officer made the gruesome discovery on Sept. 1, 1994, after noticing a fire behind a building on Bradwick Drive near Highway 7 in Vaughan. When the fire was put out, the body of a young woman was found in the remains of a suitcase. Gasoline and tires had been used to fuel the fire. On Tuesday, investigators released drawings of a clay reconstruction of the victim's face, along with previously unpublished information that they hope may help someone identify her. Forensic testing indicates that the victim was likely a dark-skinned Caucasian from a North African country such as Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia or Egypt. Her estimated age was 17 to 18.She stood five feet, four inches, and had a very slim build, weighing between 85 and 100 pounds. She had dark curly hair, which may have been dyed a reddish colour, and protruding front teeth, which were in good condition. Police say the victim had suffered broken bones in her back and lower limbs that had been left to heal untreated. As a result, they say she was likely immobile and in constant pain. www.cbc.ca/toronto/story/to-coldcase20050125.htmlYep, all of those they mention are dark-skinned caucasians, LOL, forensics are always right.[insert rolling eyes]
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Post by ratrace on Jan 16, 2006 11:02:00 GMT -5
Then you have a beef with forsenic anthrolopogy. Any other beefs with the sciences department? Show me the money. Forensics believe in race because they use such skeletal features to aid in solving crimes but they do often screw up quite a bit like in this example: Picture released in unsolved 1994 homicide Last updated Jan 25 2005 11:59 AM EST CBC News York Regional Police have released drawings of an unidentified woman whose badly burned body was found in an industrial park more than 10 years ago. A police officer made the gruesome discovery on Sept. 1, 1994, after noticing a fire behind a building on Bradwick Drive near Highway 7 in Vaughan. When the fire was put out, the body of a young woman was found in the remains of a suitcase. Gasoline and tires had been used to fuel the fire. On Tuesday, investigators released drawings of a clay reconstruction of the victim's face, along with previously unpublished information that they hope may help someone identify her. Forensic testing indicates that the victim was likely a dark-skinned Caucasian from a North African country such as Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia or Egypt. Her estimated age was 17 to 18.She stood five feet, four inches, and had a very slim build, weighing between 85 and 100 pounds. She had dark curly hair, which may have been dyed a reddish colour, and protruding front teeth, which were in good condition. Police say the victim had suffered broken bones in her back and lower limbs that had been left to heal untreated. As a result, they say she was likely immobile and in constant pain. www.cbc.ca/toronto/story/to-coldcase20050125.htmlYep, all of those they mention are dark-skinned caucasians, LOL, forensics are always right.[insert rolling eyes] Forenics work.there could be type erros and such in that article.like it or not.
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Post by Soomaal on Jan 16, 2006 16:05:59 GMT -5
Egypt is the first thing that comes to my mind when I wake up.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 30, 2006 9:30:04 GMT -5
"White" historically is an anglo saxon term so yes they are not anglo saxon looking.If thats what you consider white then so be it. "White" is also not used in Athropology or Genetics. anything esle? I mentioned this in another thread, but I understood that 'white' was first used by Spaniards in the Americas to differentiate themselves from the Amerindians that they met. Eufrenio, Drooperdoo, or any other poster here, Iberian or otherwise, can you verify or debunk this statement? It doesn´t seem likely. "White" is used as the opposite of "Black". Amerindians, as we all know, were called "indios", not "negros". IMHo, the opposition Black/white used to refer to lighter skinned-Europid featured as opposed to Darker/negroid featured, has been in use at least since the Romans, first as an adjective rather than as a noun. The Arabs also have that distinction.
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Post by wendland on Jan 31, 2006 2:10:24 GMT -5
I don't know who used the term/word "white" first, but the term "blanco" (white) is very much in use in Latin America as a description. Funny how none of these terms: white, black, Anglo Saxon, etc... are really defined completely and often mean something else to different people. The Welsh vs. Anglo Saxon sub-thread comes to mind here, whereas in another discussion the Welsh would be called WASPS, so it all seems relative. Also the name Welsh came up probably not because they looked SO different from the Angles and Saxons, but just because they were "wealas" (foreign)-- different language, culture, religion. The Angles and Saxons when compared to the Vikings have been described as "dark".
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Post by Melani2333 on Jan 31, 2006 10:36:53 GMT -5
Look, the ancient Egyptians, the ones who created the historic culture are all dead. People will continue to fight about this until DNA technlogy is advanced enough to do full sequential analysis on mummified bone frags 6000 years old. ;D Looking at history and geography, the country is in North Africa, A-f-r-i-c-a aka the land of the Blacks. Anyone else non-Black is a descendant of an immigrant or invader, LOL! Again, the country is located in AFRICA, not Europe or Asia! Now, they probably did a fair bit of trade with the Southern Euros bit , then got Arabicitized. Today, from what I've seen of them, they are a bunch of Berber/Arabs/Levantine, etc peoples. They are not Negroid. Although some are quasi-mulattoid, I would call them non-White, Caucasian-other, or stabilized mixed-race like East Indians. They are their own seperate race/ethnicity/nationality like "Mexican". Those ancients (earlier dynasties) were more than likely all Black before being overran by the Caucasians. We have their pictures - some were Negroid, some Caucasian, but the greatest number and the mystery is that most were really neither. The world is more than Black and White. There is enough conjecture for all to claim a piece...... This "fight" is not really not about their race, but about the constant pre-conceived notion of black inferioritry. It is just Western arrogance to feel that Blacks have contributed nothing to the human race and only "White Culture" has value. This is simple not true.... People who think Blacks and/or dark peoples are "primitive" and "unevolved" will always fight to claim whatever culture they feel "proves" their own biases. People like this rarely contribute to their own socieites and attempt to rest on the laurels of their own ancestors or their own society. They personaly give nothing back..... I am too busy building my own life/family to try to tear down someone elses. : Remember the saying, small minds, smalll minds.....
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Post by galton on Jan 31, 2006 11:15:12 GMT -5
Blacks don't obsess about Egypt's blackness, If you're an example, yes they do. but rather its the so-called "Meds" here that obsess about Egypt being a Mediterranean civilization, which it is not. I didn't know Meds obsessed over Ancient Egypt being a Mediterranean civilization until I saw this website or ones like it. Stating that Egypt had what we would call black people today is not obsessing. The same could be said about pointing there were caucasoids in Ancient Egypt. Why do Meds obsess over Egypt's alleged "Med" origins Because Egypt is located on the Mediterranean Sea, so therefore it was a Mediterranean civilization. while stating on the other hand that people like Idi Amin and Wesley Snipes are the only true Negroids? Why do Meds state that souther Europeans who could pass as Arabs and or Turks are equally as wgite as northern Europeans, but state that Somalis and Ethiopians are not equally as black as West Africans? Isn't that hypocritical to say the least? It seems like a riddle wrapped in an enigma. Somalis and Ethiopians are negroes in my opinion. Are they as negro as west African congoids? I still thinking about it. However, I also realise that the current genetic studies shows these North East Africans to cluster closer to caucasoids than west african congoids. But the Ainu cluster closer to the mongoloids than to the caucasoids and the Ainu have caucasoid features. I think these examples are anomalous. I realise that people think that the current genetic studies of the human genome is the last word in genetic studies, but that is like saying the model T was the last word on private transportation. Maybe in the future, there will be more advances in genetic studies and a more refined method of analysis can address these anomalies.
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