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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 21, 2005 1:26:01 GMT -5
Why any Med would want to look like a pasty blond freckloid is beyond me. I think you're seeing something that isn't there. Maybe on Stormfront people try to whitewash Southern Euros, but most Meds here are proud of their darker looks, I'd wager.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 21, 2005 1:29:00 GMT -5
Mike thats what I said all along that most Meds here on Dodona are not insecure despite what Abdul and Tony Morello say.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 21, 2005 1:34:02 GMT -5
Yeah, such people need to take a hint. Saying Southern Europeans are different from Near Easterners is not the same as saying OMG we are teh blue-eyed blondenrasse! Accept us Herr Waffen, pleeeze!
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 21, 2005 1:40:00 GMT -5
The only insecure Dago on Dodona is that Northern Italian poster I forgot his name that always keep saying in his posts that most Italians are not Meds atleast where he lives according to him and that most Italians are closer to Central Europeans in phenotype than they are to other Southern Europeans.
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Post by Josh on Dec 21, 2005 2:13:07 GMT -5
The only insecure Dago on Dodona is that Northern Italian poster I forgot his name that always keep saying in his posts that most Italians are not Meds atleast where he lives according to him and that most Italians are closer to Central Europeans in phenotype than they are to other Southern Europeans. Is his name wardner?
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Post by anodyne on Dec 21, 2005 3:03:27 GMT -5
No, I don't know. You still haven't given examples of such. You give the impression that this is a major problem. Why? because someone posted three models who look nordic and happen to be Spanish models in the recent past? No one (to my recollection during my time here) has pushed that as the typical.
You gain confidance based on how you look? That's basically what many nordicists are all about.
You haven't provided any examples for this nordic fetish you assume the Spanish posters here at Dodona have. You just say "thay do this and they do that" and don't bother to provide any proof.
You tell me. This thread is directed at him and me since we both mentioned we get confused for Irish at times. It's why you started this thread the way you did stating Spaniards wanting to be Irish.
I understood you just fine.
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Post by Batrus on Dec 21, 2005 9:39:50 GMT -5
If you're spanish, You have just prove delacroix right. Try reading the thread before posting.
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Post by Batrus on Dec 21, 2005 9:51:44 GMT -5
Stella, so.. ummm..... Hooligan should lie about his light colored eyes and his over all look just to make you feel better? How is being confused for some other nationality or stating that Spain has some variety a "lack of med pride?" What the hell do you mean by Med pride, exactly? that's just as weird as nordic pride. It seems as if you've misunderstood just about everything I wrote. Of course Hooligan shouldn't lie about his eyes. What does that have to do with anything else I wrote. Argue all you want, but you know that most of these threads aren't about showing Med variety. It is usually about showing Nord-like Meds. For what reason, I don't know. You tell me. Having pride means being confident and has nothing to do with trying to prove superiority. What do you mean by nord-like med? a light med? a mixed med? Maybe what you deem as nord-like med are typical med because the grand majority of europeans meds are mixed with other varieties of europeans. There's a double standart here a lot of nords or alpines post pictures about people of their sub-races that are also mixed with others. That doesn't mean they would like to be considered similar to them. People in europe is just mixed. Being proud of what we are is acknowledging what we really are, not trying to white wash nor darken ourselves. I think the easiest prove that we are proud of who we are is that we have posted pictures of ourselves and that we show ourselves exactly the way we are.
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Post by Batrus on Dec 21, 2005 9:55:55 GMT -5
I dont think this forum is biased toward meds, wouldnt really call it euro-med site, dodona is just not racist. In any other race forum you could get banned for not hating jews. there was a guy from india who was banned for posting constantly pics of "bollywood" indians as if they were the common indians. when things get ridiculous, mods act. It does has a slight tendency. That doens't mean it has to offensive for non-meds, but predominantely in topics that concerns what i consider my sub-race, there is a huge pro euromed support. That could be due to quantity of meds aswell. I mean the partiallity could be either a result or the cause of the number of euromeds, but it does exists.
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Post by stella22 on Dec 21, 2005 12:08:54 GMT -5
I never go to WN websites so I don't know what meds are like there. I got the impression that Dodona meds had some sort of low self esteem from multiple indirect means.
*making sure to note how many people in the family have depigmented eyes/hair while failing to mention the ones with darker characteristics *(several times) when posting a picture or their mom's picture, telling everyone that the picture appears dark, but that they are actually much fairer- nobody ever mentions that they darker than they appear in the picture *telling people that their nose looks humped in their picture, but that actually it is concave- again, nobody ever says their nose is larger/more convex than it appears in the picture *posting PROPORTIONATELY more nordish looking meds than actually exist (open to endless debate so forget this one if you want to) *endlessly posting certain celebrities that are particularly non-med in appearance even though they are from med countries (sometimes the same person so many times it becomes like a joke) *when dark meds are shown (like Banderas or Cruz) someone will say that she could have blonde/blue eyed child or that Bandaras does have a fair daughter [as if this makes them less dark or smthg] *using words like refined and progressive to describe traits that are more common in central/Northern Europe
Not every poster does this and even the ones who do probably do an a subconscious level. They might not even be aware of it.
And before you go thinking that I am very dark, I'm not. I'm probably just an average pigmented med with some lighter relatives and some darker.
Maybe I'm wrong and it has nothing to do with self esteem. Maybe their is just some colorism going on where the light Meds are favored over the darker ones.
Or maybe you are right and that I'm just imagining everything.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 21, 2005 12:13:07 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for examples, Stella. It would help your case if you could provide actual threads where people act the way you say they do. If you have enough time to argue the case then you have enough time to provide evidence.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 21, 2005 12:15:19 GMT -5
I still don't see where you're getting this. If anything, I've noticed the opposite tendency: people posting pictures of dark Northern Europeans (especially Brits).
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Post by Batrus on Dec 21, 2005 12:19:11 GMT -5
I never go to WN websites so I don't know what meds are like there. I got the impression that Dodona meds had some sort of low self esteem from multiple indirect means. *making sure to note how many people in the family have depigmented eyes/hair while failing to mention the ones with darker characteristics *(several times) when posting a picture or their mom's picture, telling everyone that the picture appears dark, but that they are actually much fairer- nobody ever mentions that they darker than they appear in the picture I hope you are not refering to me because i posted my father, but not my mother, but the only reason i did that was because, as i've mentioned in the thread, she never let me take pictures to her because she thinks she looks too old. And when i posted my mom i never said she was fairer, all i said was that i usually look darker in summer.
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Post by hooligan on Dec 21, 2005 14:21:24 GMT -5
I can't believe some of the comments on this thread, not one of you that is arguing that Myself or I.A. are wanting to pass ourselves off as some kind of "Nordic" looking Spaniard or paint all Spaniards as anything other than "Med" has really read what I posted in response to Stella. Any Spaniard worth his salt is proud of himself, his family,his village and province first, before some sort of ida of being a "Spaniard". I am proud of who and what I am, I think that people should accept that not everyone in ANY country is a clone of each other. I.A. and myself mearly stated that we sometimes get confused for Irish and that makes us "Irish Wannabe's" ? come on, that is ridiculous. I can't speak for every Spaniard, but I am not obsessed with race or lineage, as I said before " I know who and what I am". My eyes are light yes, but my hair is very dark, my skin is fair olive, but I can tan, why would anyone deny himself or his origin to fit in anywhere ? that is just sad. That was not my intention,nor was it I.A.'s. This and the previous "Irish\Spanish" thread was directed at both of us, if you wanted answers on how we felt, you should have really read what we posted. Spain and Spaniards are an enigma, even to each other, maybe it's good that we are challenged in the way the we have been here, it will help you understand, if you choose to listen, more about what Spain and her children are all about. Just a side note, not all Spaniards look to the Meditteranean, I doubt that any Gallego, Cantabrano, Vasco or Asturiano would consider themselves "Med", or a Castllian for that matter. Being dark doesn't make you a "Med" , plenty of Atlantic folks are just as dark.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Dec 21, 2005 15:17:12 GMT -5
I think it's humorous that Nrdthl's pics of fair-skinned Spanish babes all look like softcore porn. lol
He's no Carleton Coon, that's for sure.
If Ndrthl put together a book on world ethnology, it would have a centerfold.
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