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Post by Cerdic on Jul 18, 2005 6:02:30 GMT -5
I can say Turks are Turks. I don't need any other term. I can recognize a Turk very easily. I don't know how but I can manage it. Most of the people will agree with me. And I think that there are a lot of unknown parts in history and genetic science. We don't know all of the things yet. Though I'm of English, Irish and French ancestry I have been told by Turkish friends that I look Turkish. Equally, Greek friends tell me I look Greek. I have dark-brown hair, brown eyes, I'm mesocephalic, have light skin (though it tans well), a straight narrowish nose, squarish face with a broad jawline and have straight concurrent eyebrows, and a moderately heavy beard growth. This might say something about the physical similarities between the two peoples.
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Post by stavros on Dec 26, 2005 0:36:32 GMT -5
Any similarities between Greeks and Turks occur in the West of Turkey because of the fact that the Turks absorbed Muslim Greeks and Muslim Albanians as well as other europeans living in the region. Other than that there is not much of a similarity other than dark coloring.
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Post by attis on Dec 26, 2005 4:20:47 GMT -5
Atatürk is said to be mostly Bulgarian and Albanian...of course having the Father of Turks be only a bit Turkish is rather well...I won't say any more.
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Post by Mjora on Dec 26, 2005 4:40:19 GMT -5
Please say more.I really wonder What will you say?
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Post by attis on Dec 26, 2005 5:43:52 GMT -5
It is just humorous. I notice all of the Turkish Imperial family have light eyes. I guess Sultans kept wives and concubines from all parts of the Empire? I know I have met Turks who could have been Swedes.
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Post by It-Alien on Dec 26, 2005 6:05:17 GMT -5
I would wager that this turk is of european extraction. But these turkish people look middle eastern. ^^^ They look like Kurds to me.
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Post by Mjora on Dec 26, 2005 6:30:13 GMT -5
These girls look gypsy.
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Post by blueskygod on Dec 26, 2005 6:49:29 GMT -5
It is just humorous. I notice all of the Turkish Imperial family have light eyes. I guess Sultans kept wives and concubines from all parts of the Empire? I know I have met Turks who could have been Swedes. You silly billy. Are you suggesting that light eyes are the direct result of European blood. My mother and my Grandmother are predominantly Kazak and have light green eyes. About 10% of Kazaks have blue or green eyes, which shows that the Sultans of the Ottoman Empire, even the early ones didn't necessarily have to have predominantly european ancestry in order to have the phenotype they did. therefore, i just showed to you that Turkic peoples are so mixed genetically that they can combine an east asian phenotype with light eyes and skin as well. Real Turks are the Oguz Turkmens that came one thousand years. I believe that because with that notion I can claim that i'm turkish. So basically the only real turks are turanid, the others are just posers. Ataturk looks as if he has central asian admixture, if judging by his cheekbones. I might mistake him for an uzbek actually if i didnt know who he is.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 26, 2005 10:29:59 GMT -5
It's likely that Kazakhs exhibiting fair eyes have ancient Scythian ancestry.
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Post by ikilledjesus on Dec 26, 2005 10:30:53 GMT -5
many kazakhs intermixed with germans and russians.
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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 26, 2005 12:25:38 GMT -5
Atatürk is said to be mostly Bulgarian and Albanian...of course having the Father of Turks be only a bit Turkish is rather well...I won't say any more. I have also seen some people claiming he was Jewish. That is very dumb because his ancestry is well known. www.ataturk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=43In Turkey some people like to attack others by saying they are not Turkish. Omer Seyfettin is Circasssian, Ziya Gokalp is Kurd etc. Of course nobody takes them seriously. However, in Ataturk's case since he is so famous and important for Turkish people, these baseless claims somehow made their way to the outside world. The truth is Ataturk has risked his life many times for the Turkish nation and was a true Turkish nationalist. he wasnt jewish but he did have thesaloniki jewish ancestry
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Post by attis on Dec 26, 2005 17:46:01 GMT -5
Actually the light eyes in central Asia are from the Iranian and Tocharian people who had lived there. If you ever see ancient paintings of Iranians and Tocharians, very fascinating. I am not saying that the Turkic people were originally "Asian" looking either. Although it does seem that the Turkic and Mongolian languages probably were spoken near each other since they are very much alike (either due to being related gentically or having borrowed much from each other over several thousand years).
Since Turkic speakers originally divided with the Chuvash and everyone else. Perhaps the appearance of the Chuvash may be what the original Turkic speakers looked like. Are the Turkic settling Central Asia and Siberia a more recent migration?
I read a biography of Atatürk and his ancestry was Turkish, Bulgarian, Albanian, and other things.
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Post by blueskygod on Dec 27, 2005 8:42:34 GMT -5
So you're saying that for exzmple my family in Kazakstan, even though they're from the Argin and Kerey clans are actually descendants of Scythians instead of Ogedai Khan! Preposterous!
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Post by attis on Dec 27, 2005 17:56:43 GMT -5
It does seem Kazakstan historically has always been mostly Turkic. I really can't find any Iranians settling there.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 27, 2005 17:57:19 GMT -5
The Scythians were Iranians. Or at least Iranian-speakers.
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