definition of Mediterrenean

[executiona9]

I have a question :

what is Mediterrenean?

Spaniards and Italians are very diverse people.

The following Spaniards and Italians could easily pass for German or British :






These people look like typical British or German people. There is nothing dark about them.






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Now, lets take a look at a couple of darker Spaniards and darker Italians :






These people look much darker than British and German people. They would look out of place in Britain and Germany.

Therefore I use the following rule :

If you are a Spaniard or Italian and you cant pass for British or German, in other words : if you are a Spaniard of Italian and you would look out of place in Britain or Germany,

then you are Mediterrenean.

Thats the definition of Mediterrenean in my point of view :

Southern-Europeans who cant pass for Central-Europeans.

[Ptolemy]

A Med is a descendant of the original civilized tribe of Mesopotamia, between the two rivers of the Euphrates and Tigris, often refered to as "Babylon".

Babylon is our Mecca; the birth place of "G-d's" children, created in his own image.

Any variation of a Babylonian (Med) skin color is due to genetic drift and regional admixture with the natives ie....

Europe Meds somewhat mixed with Germanic/Slav, North African Meds somewhat mixed with Negro, South American Meds somewhat mixed with AmerIndian etc.....

One is a Med if they have retained at least 55-60% of their original "Babylonian" roots.

But Med is mostly a state of mind. A Med is a person who has acheived a higher conciousness and superior spirituality, and is aware that they must set an example and lead.

[Ptolemy]

In Mediterranean mythology and song, it is often stated that a Med will never achieve peace until they return to the # 1 Utopian and New Age Rennaissance city of Babylon.

Here is a portion of a traditional Spanish song about Babylon.

solo voy con mi pena
sola va mi condena
correr es mi destino
para burlar la ley
perdido en el corazon
de la grande babylon
me dicen el clandestino
por no llevar papel

English Translation
Alone I go with my sorrow
Alone goes my sentence
To run is my destiny
To escape the law
Lost in the heart of the great Babylon
They call me
clandestine
For not having any papers (passport)

The poems goes on singing that the young traveler will never be happy until he can return to the Babylon, the city on the twin rivers.

Until his return, he will always be in state of discontent among the mortals.

[Melnorme]

Ptolemy, are you Mediterraneo?

www.geocities.com/homomediterraneus/superior/medrace.html

[Ptolemy]

Melnorme said:

Ptolemy, are you Mediterraneo?

www.geocities.com/homomediterraneus/superior/medrace.html

Your link doesn't work for me.

Yes, I am a Med, Melnorme

Excutiona9's question was so broad, I just thought I would have a little bit of fun there. Ignore the temporary diversion, I was just joking. ;D

The Aryans came from a different tribe, btw


Fictional City of Babylon.

[AWAR]

Ptolemy said:

A Med is a descendant of the original civilized tribe of Mesopotamia, between the two rivers of the Euphrates and Tigris, often refered to as "Babylon".

Babylon is our Mecca; the birth place of "G-d's" children, created in his own image.

Any variation of a Babylonian (Med) skin color is due to genetic drift and regional admixture with the natives ie....

Europe Meds somewhat mixed with Germanic/Slav, North African Meds somewhat mixed with Negro, South American Meds somewhat mixed with AmerIndian etc.....

One is a Med if they have retained at least 55-60% of their original "Babylonian" roots.

But Med is mostly a state of mind. A Med is a person who has acheived a higher conciousness and superior spirituality, and is aware that they must set an example and lead.

Then, only the Greeks, Turks, some north Africans and Middle-Easterners are Meds. Most Italians, almost all Iberians, a huge chunk of the Balkans etc. are then 'not mediterranean. Since what you're talking about is Neolithic mediterraneans, not all European Mediterraneans.

I'm probably largely Neolithic in my genetic structure, and my ancestry is probably in the Middle-East, some 8000 or more years ago, but a Basque for example is something completely different, and his ancestry lays at the opposite side of Europe, whatever he may look like.

[buddyrydell]

I think that Mediterraneans can be divided into the European Mediterranean types and then the types from North Africa and the Near East, both of which differ genetically and physically from the average southern European Med from Iberia, Italy, or the Balkans. Now, as far as which Europeans are particularly Mediterranean, I'd say that a large number of the Spaniards/Portuguese are certainly Mediterranean, whereas many Meds from Italy or the Balkans are mixed with Alpine/Dinaric elements. Northern Italians really aren't Med in the true sense, most are Alpine/Dinaric and some even Noric, and most of them could pass as French, British, or German. As for the southerners, they are a mix of the Alpine/Dinaric elements with that of the Med, much like Greeks. This is the Dinaricized Med type that apparently characterizes me . Therefore, Italy is probably the least Med, in a racial sense, of all of the Mediterranean countries simply because lighter types are strongly represented in Italy, particularly in the north. If you are European and don't look particularly Nordic, you won't stick out in Italy or parts of the Balkans. Even in Sicily, most Meds are mixed with Alpines/Dinarics.

[Melnorme]

North Africans and Middle Easterners are distinct from each other, as are Southwest and Southeast European 'Meds'.

[Graeme]

Maybe we should stick to executiona9's rule of thumb. It sounds terribly complicated to be European Mediterranean. In Australia those British or German types would be considered to be Southerners because of their face shape, hair colour and complexions. They may not be dark, but they don't appear to be what English or Germans are supposed to look like. As far as the darker Europeans, executiona9's Mediterraneans, they would be seen as Middle Eastern in Australia.

Personally I am not keen on the Babylon connection, it is not my Mecca. The mysterious Sumerians that is another matter. Semitic peoples don't interest me. Babylon is semitic and sounds like God's door. In Maltese it would be Biebilah.

I am actually lighter than the British or German types, but I consider myself as Mediterranean even though I am more UP physically. Being Mediterranean to me is more than a racial sub type of the caucasian race. It doesn't matter to me that I can fit in the UK or Germany or anywhere in Central Europe. I am still Mediterranean. Saying that I consider Europeans and some near Europeans to be Mediterraneans sub racially, not all the inhabitants of the Middle East or Iran or India.

[xxx]

I much agree with Graeme. Besides.. what has Babylon got to do with the Mediterranean race? Summeria, on the other hand, was a Mediterranean Civilization. Ptolemy, I am Spanish and I've never heard nor read those verses. And, besides, in Spanish 'Babylon' is 'Babilonia'. Oh wait... isn't it from a rather modern pop style song? Some pop song singers and composers add anything that rhymes no matter if it doesn't make much sense, and have little to no idea of History, let alone ancient History.

executiona9, once again showing how little you know about Spain or Italy, how nothing about race, how less than nothing about Mediterraneans? Stay with your folk, the Dutch, Indonesians, KoiSans and Negroes, and keep away from peoples you know nothing about.

[Vitor]

I stayed in a dutch family house in holland, very welcome people, and nice...

I went with my local amateur band into amsterdam...and some locals provided free shelter!


It was great days that I will never forget...I end up in a dutch teenage (male of course... ...) room with a non english speaking portuguese (we were 2 from the band).

We were divided by families, some ended up in one family others in another.
They treated us well...

I believe there is good people in Holland!

Of course dutch people are different from the portuguese, and honestly they are unable to distinguish the portuguese from the turks and others...


People didn't see us as a threat, when they found we were portuguese...
but if they mistake us from turks....

We were not even allowed to enter in a disco house..."this turks will steal us"...(I believe this was what the guy makinng the decisions thought...he didn't speak english...some local retard...)


No matter how We told him we were portuguese he murmured (rrrrsrarrssrsr), a surprising for us, most dutch speak good english...

I didn't find anything different (facial that is) from the portuguese, they were not even bigger than we were...
We have 3 members close to 2 meters (10%), 10 are above 180 (30%).
I am short with only 176 cms
I am talking of the newer members...the old guys are still short... ;D


...more stuff that happenned there...

I was attacked (with some "turks" next to me), by a dutch car....(in Amsterdam)

there was an small water lagoon in the road...and with most obvious intentions that car acelerated to make our bath...
the other guys knew what was comming...I didn't....

I believe the other's were indonesians or something...they were walking next to me...
That is something I will never forget, nor the hospitality some of them provided.

What I found depressing was the sun, it looked unhealthy, A sensation of extreme lack of light.
Now I know why they are whiter...

the darker people ended up being raquitic, lack of vitamin D...
obviously whiter peopler have less chance of being raquitic...Sexual selection produced the dutch people....(and other northern folks)

Anopther story...
In amsterdam I didn't see a single dutch...(I am exagerating...a little bit)

lots of turks, indonesians, chinese, etc...not one dutch.

we were even "atacked" there by a big african dude, he was selling heavy stuff (faking he was on the phone)...
we didn't buy anything of course, and because we stayed on their's territory...that prompted a violent reaction from him...
"get the f*ck out of here, or ..."
;D
another thing I will never forget from my holland visit...

So...I even considerer the dutch kind of mediterranean...
of course with some central/northern european blood influx...

They were not that different (facial that is) from us...
but they were lighter...If I lived there and if I didn't get enough food for my sons, my lighter sons would be the one's surviving the raquitism...


Dutch->western mediterraneans who don't suffer from raquitism...
lol

[One Humanity]

I enjoyed your story.

It means rickets btw in English not raquitism. In German, it's rachitis. The author Karl May had it, e.g. with O-shaped legs



It's easy to prevent today, but in the past that must have been different.

[IfTheLightTakesUs]

yo wat up executiona!? uh uh what? uh uh yo

[Melnorme]

IfTheLightTakesUs said:

yo wat up executiona!? uh uh what? uh uh yo

Hehehe.

[Ptolemy]

Mynydd said:

I much agree with Graeme. Besides.. what has Babylon got to do with the Mediterranean race? Summeria, on the other hand, was a Mediterranean Civilization. Ptolemy, I am Spanish and I've never heard nor read those verses. And, besides, in Spanish 'Babylon' is 'Babilonia'. Oh wait... isn't it from a rather modern pop style song? Some pop song singers and composers add anything that rhymes no matter if it doesn't make much sense, and have little to no idea of History, let alone ancient History.

Dude........I said I was just joking. You're correct, the song is modern. Manu (Manuel) Chao is the singer.