Please define "White"...

[ProdigalSon]

I wonder if anyone here is up to the challenge. I certainly can't come up with an unequivocal definition.

[Pugnox]

You can't come up with an unequivical definition because the definition is beyond the realm of modern science. It's essentially a spiritaul question that each man must ask himself. I've always said that a white man is any man who feels himself to be white.

A white man of character should seek to protect from foreign races everything that the white man has built up. To be white is to acknowledge that there exists something other than white.

[Arawn]

Generaly speaking, its a vauge colour code for Europeans, though i'm sure there are those with alternative definitions, and confilicting opinions on where the boundaries are.

[alex221166]

ProdigalSon said:

I wonder if anyone here is up to the challenge. I certainly can't come up with an unequivocal definition.

"White" means different things in different places. In Portugal, any caucasoid of European ancestry is considered white. I was initially quite shocked when I found out that some Northern Europeans had a different definition.

Incidentally, even the darker Moorish types are considered white, though we call them "dark" whites. Still, there is no discrimination towards Europeans of a darker skin colour (except for gypsies, who could be considered "European" considering that they have been around since the XV century).

[Necronomicom]

here is my definitons of the "White" race:

1- Caucasoids of the nordic, mediterranean, alpine, dinaric, and upper palaeolithic sub-races.

2- The original people of Europe and some parts of the middle east. (with some exception)

3- Europids

"White" is also a popular term used to describe which caucasian individuals are accepted and which are not, for example dravidians are caucasian but they are way too different, racially and culturally, from Europids to be accepted.

[AWAR]

White is a vague description reserved for caucasoid humans of many sub-types.

Police standards are one thing, they need to be quick in their classifications, so I don't doubt that US Police officers chasing after a Turk or Pakistani are chasing a white man, and I don't doubt that they can perceive a Dravidian caucasoid as 'Black'

I've seen a lot of people bitch about these 'police racial standards' and how they ( Nordish ) feel denigrated to be in the same category as Arabs etc.
Who cares!! It's just a racial standard subordinated to functionality, and in split seconds, functionality is key.

Cultural standards should not be mistaken for racial standards. Most Albanians are as much members of the white race as I am, but I don't perceive them as being beneficial for my people, or Europe. In fact, I'd have much more to talk about with an average Japanese than I'd have with an average Albanian. ( Of course, that's just an insignificant statistic by me ).

If you went by those standards, you'd find Japanese to be 'whiter' than Albanians.

I respect all preservationist groups there are, and I think they have a full right to defend their sub-racial type. I myself probably won't marry out of my ethnicity.

In reality, I judge people by individuals, not by broad categories.

I'm sure I'll have the most positivie knee-jerk reaction to a person that is most alike to me physically, I bet someone would label that as 'racism' I'd just label that as being human.

But, I've met a lot of bad blue-eyed people, blonde drug-addicts, fine mannered gypsies and I know FROM EXPERIENCE that judging people in advance, according to some pre-set standards is a weakness, not a strength.

There is more I can say about this, but I'll wait for some reactions.

[MAnu]

white is the european person that doesn't show any trait from elsewhere than europe. to recognize this you gotta have some idea of how original europoids looked. many people relate hair and eye blondism along light pigmentation with pureness, something that in my opinion is completely off.

[dandan]

When I was growing up, we used to call anyone from east of the English Channel a "wog", i.e. non-white. Having said that, we had a very dim view of the majority of our countrymen as well.
Aaaah! The Class System!

[galvez]

Recently a troll entered this forum and questioned both my objection to the use of the term "White" and alleged infractions to my objection.

To clear things up a bit, "White" is simply not an objective anthropological term, hence the disagreements over what it means. Thus, "White" must be defined -- either by a person using the term or the context -- before it is used. When I say "context" I mean that in some forums "White" has a very specific meaning (often interchangeable with those of European descent, which seems to be a default definition but by no means conclusive), and so no elaborating on a definition is necessary (unless one uses it differently). Therefore, "White" makes sense to individuals communicating with a common, agreed upon understanding of what it means or of what they are trying to convey, but from a scientific point of view the term has no objective meaning.

The same is true of "Mediterranean." Iberians have no more claim to Greek accomplishments than modern Egyptians, because the Greeks are Pontids (to a great extent) whereas Iberians are West Mediterraneans.

The point is, these labels are used more politically than scientifically -- what tends to happen is that groups will include unrelated types into a subjectively-based classification for aesthetic or historical reasons. This is why Richard McCulloch likes "Nordish" Jews. Therefore, it is up to scientists to define these terms -- and scientists clearly disagree with much of what is written in White Nationalist forums about the supposedly "mulatto" Southern Europeans. Scientists also are not so simple as to cluster Italians with Iranians or Syrians -- John Baker clearly differentiates Southern European Meds from Middle Easterners, pointing out the "Orientalid" and "Armenoid" elements in some of the groups traditionally thought as "Mediterraneans." While McCulloch fantasizes about the Jewess Alicia Silverstone, a good genetic test available to scientists would differentiate her from the Scotch-Irish. Yes, genetics matter -- that some people fear genetic tests should be of no surprise, given the history of racial tensions and admixture in America and in other countries.

So, my alliance to the other Southern Europeans is just as arbitrary as the term "White" is to some of the White Nationalists -- but unlike them, I admit it's arbitrary, and affirm that it serves a utilitarian purpose because Southern Europeans have a lot in common culturally, genetically, and do not have the voice at this point that their uneducated, vociferous opponents have.

In sum, science and politics must be separated. Where science fails -- because political correctness tends to currupt a lot of modern scholarship -- I am confident that the instinct of peoples, particularly from Southern Europe, will prevail or at least balance things out.