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Post by Educate Me on Aug 27, 2005 16:26:47 GMT -5
so, the sourtherners, like the austrians are the original germans?
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Aug 27, 2005 16:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by Educate Me on Aug 27, 2005 16:43:55 GMT -5
who are the original germans then, north east south they are all slavs now maybe only those who live by the rhine!
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Aug 27, 2005 16:59:07 GMT -5
The Rhineland had too much of an impact from the Celts, then the Romans, and later the French, and then Polish immigrant miners, and then the French again together with some exotic Negroe types (the Rhineland Bastards!).
Teutons are originally from Scandinavia and northern Germany.
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Post by Marobud on Aug 29, 2005 16:47:40 GMT -5
In fact, Berlin is a Slavic word - it means "settlement built on wooden bars". It corresponds to reality - Berlin is located at former swampland, with a lot of lakes around. Baltic Slavs were very good at design of wooden villages built at swamps. Germans do not remind this fact too often There are hundreds of local names around Berlin which end with -in, with 100% sure Slavic origin (i.e. those local names have some evident meaning even in contemporary Czech or Polish) . It is quite funny to travel around Berlin.
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Post by Anja on Sept 15, 2005 17:03:12 GMT -5
Arnold Schwarzenegger's mother's maiden name was Jadrny...isn't that of Czech origin?
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Post by Hairless on Sept 16, 2005 3:46:57 GMT -5
This is a good thread. I have been wondering about this a lot because on one line of my ancestry I have some ancestors that came from "Austria-Hungary" around 1860 and on various documents it says that the wife is either from Germany, Austria and... as I suspect Bohemia! On one document it says she spoke German as native tongue and another it says Bohemian (which must be Czechoslovakian language). So I think maybe she/they are from Czechoslovakia but I can't figure out if they were ethnic German or Czech or some mix. So this is six generations back that I have an ancestor named Bennish (perhaps like Czech Benes). I do have a xeroxed photo of their daughter's profile - maybe I can post it and see what the experts think
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Post by Hairless on Sept 20, 2005 20:42:40 GMT -5
This is a good thread. I have been wondering about this a lot because on one line of my ancestry I have some ancestors that came from "Austria-Hungary" around 1860 and on various documents it says that the wife is either from Germany, Austria and... as I suspect Bohemia! On one document it says she spoke German as native tongue and another it says Bohemian (which must be Czechoslovakian language). So I think maybe she/they are from Czechoslovakia but I can't figure out if they were ethnic German or Czech or some mix. So this is six generations back that I have an ancestor named Bennish (perhaps like Czech Benes). I do have a xeroxed photo of their daughter's profile - maybe I can post it and see what the experts think If anyone here is good at classification of Germanic peoples, I'd appreciate you looking at this thread: dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=guess&thread=1127199392&page=1The woman in question is female 1, but only a profile of low quality. The rest are German of some type except female 2.
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Post by Marobud on Sept 27, 2005 15:04:53 GMT -5
Hi Khangard, here is my Czech opinion: before WWII, there was a strong and influential German speaking minority in Czechoslovakia. There were 10 milions Czechs, 3 milions Germans, 3 milions Slovaks. After WWII, Czech Germans were moved to Germany to avoid nationalistic clashes (Czech Germans were VERY active Nazis, thay hated Czechoslovakia, they participated actively at Nazi destruction of Czechoslovakia, they actively asked for joining of large border regions of Bohemia to Germany. Czechs hated them for it. At that time, Czech Germans called themselves Sudeten Germans). I think that (state organized) expulsion of Czech Germans was an only way how to prevent another Belfast in Central Europe. So now there are very few Germans in Czech Republic, mainly those coming from mixed Czech/German families. Those 3 milions Czech Germans were mainly descendants of settlers invited to Bohemia by Czech kings at 12. and 13. century. Thanks to theses settlers, Bohemia untied from Slavic/Hungarian civilisation, contemporary Czechs are more Central Europeans linked culturally to Germany and Italy then to a Slavic world. Regarding the photos: all these people seem to me more Sudeten Germans (=Czech Germans) then Czechs. Male 1 and male 3 are quite typical Czech Germans. Male 2 is general European, but more German then Czech. Both females could be German or Czech. All 4 people at the last picture seem to me German, only the girl fits more Czech then German. All these people as individuals could be both Germans or Czechs, but when they are 4 together, they have some kind of similarity, which leads to German origin. Czechs would be more differentiated. But there is no guarantee - for example, male 1 looks exactly like my Czech colleague and friend. Czech Germans called themselves "Boehm", Czechs would call themselves "Czech" or "from Bohemia". If your relative stated that she speaks Bohemia language, it could be both German or Czech. But at this context, I think German is more probable. Bennish - seems more Sudeten German then Czech, but many Czechs have German surnames. Bennish is undoubtly coming from Benes (medieval Czech baptismal name), very common Czech surname now. Here you can see some contemporary photos of border region of Bohemia, where Sudeten Germans (Czech Germans) lived before WWII: markvartice.unas.czmarkvartice.unas.cz/foto_obec/index.phpmarkvartice.unas.cz/foto_okoli/index.phpand also this (children of Czech settlers after WWII - E. T. Seton influenced Boy Scouts - quite interesting example of American influence in 1947 Czechoslovakia ) markvartice.unas.cz/foto_skauti/index.phpIt is a nice region of Bohemia, Dresden is 50km from there, Prague is 100km from there. For centuries this region was a source of fruit for Dresden, fruit was delivered by ships via Elbe (Labe) river. Nice, very romantical folk architecture (well, ruins are always romantical).
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Post by Hairless on Oct 10, 2005 7:25:13 GMT -5
Thank you Marobud I just saw your response.
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