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Post by Miguel Antunes on Nov 10, 2005 13:43:12 GMT -5
SEMITES ARE CAUCASOID FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!
J lineage is caucasoid..from the middle eastern...or semitic...but it is still caucasoid...in fact semites refere to the language spoken...not to the ethnicity... the same with indo european... and who are you to say what caucasoid means? are you an anthropologist or something?
the lineage related with aryans...the original indo european speakers is thought to be R1a...and is pratically absent in all of iberia, france...great britain, ireland, itally, greece, denmark, belgium, and never surpasses more than half in the rest of europe...being very close to it in Russia...so I guess that the peoples that live in those countrys aren´t caucasoid either...
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Post by anodyne on Nov 10, 2005 14:24:19 GMT -5
LOL now you know what I've been going through, Praetorian.
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King: From your link:
"Dorado - J: Semitic Origin. The mitochondrial haplogroup J contains several sub-lineages. The original haplogroup J originated in the Near East approximately 50,000 years ago. Within Europe, sub-lineages of haplogroup J have distinct and interesting distributions. Haplogroup J* —the root lineage of haplogroup J—is found distributed throughout Europe, but at a relatively low frequency. Haplogroup J* is generally considered one of the prominent lineages that was part of the Neolithic spread of agriculture into Europe from the Near East beginning approximately 10,000 years ago. 17% of modern day Europeans share this origin."
Because it states semitic rather than Caucasoid you believe Semites are different racially? Well, in your link it says I is nordic. There is no mention of Caucasoid for that haplotype or any other haplotypes in taht article. So you believe that if it doesn't mention Caucasoid it isn't Caucasoid. With that reasoning people with haplotype I (nordic) aren't caucasoid since the article states it's nordic and makes no reference to caucasoids. Your arguments are silly.
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Post by king on Nov 10, 2005 14:54:01 GMT -5
The only fool is you anodyne. I am posting questions trying to get answers, That is all I am doing. If people get mad over what I am saying it is not my problem. To me their is nothing to get worked up over, you can try and say to Praetorian that you know what he is going through, but me and your arguement was over something else and has nothing to do with you now. If you have a good reason why I should consider J lineage caucasoid then tell me, or else get back to your so called life. also I had someone ask me this question:If the Semites are of Caucasian descent why do they speak Semitic tongues and not Indo-European tongues? Where did the break take place? I am just trying to get a good answer to this question. I don't care if foolish people get angry that is their problem. All you can do anodyne is call people a fool. Why don't you get back to your life and shut up. I thought you were not going to post in this thread anymore. I am not going to be bullied into not asking the questions. And this goes to anyone out their who are thinking about what I am saying, don't let people like anodyne keep you quiet ask the tough questions. It's the only way to get to the truth. So if anybody has a good reason why I should call J lineage caucasoid I would like to hear it. I could careless what anodyne thinks. I think This is the last time I am posting this. I am getting tired of arguing and when idiots like anodyne are still running around it makes it tough to find answers. So I ask this question one last time.If the Semites are of Caucasian descent why do they speak Semitic tongues and not Indo-European tongues? Where did the break take place? Can anyone out their please answer this question. also I did not want to argue over this because I knew that anodyne would come in to make stupid comments. Somebody needs to make a new thread about ethiopia and yemen.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 10, 2005 15:48:36 GMT -5
"The only fool is you anodyne. I am posting questions trying to get answers, That is all I am doing."
You've been given the answers but you keep pushing this false belief of yours. Your arguments for your beliefs are comical and will show you again further on in this thread.
"If people get mad over what I am saying it is not my problem. To me their is nothing to get worked up over, you can try and say to Praetorian that you know what he is going through, but me and your arguement was over something else and has nothing to do with you now."
It's the same argument, actually. It's just taking a side step. You're trying to take haplotypes that are Caucasoid and state they are not. You're not even aware of the origins of the word Caucasoid! I'm not mad as you say. I just stating the obvious. You keep pushing that Haplotype J isn't Caucasoid. People have pointed out where you've gone wrong but rather than address their comments directly you simply restate your weak argument. What "evidence" (ha!) you do provide doesn't even prove your cause because you obviosuly don't understand what you're reading. As I have proven in my previosu post.
"If you have a good reason why I should consider J lineage caucasoid then tell me, or else get back to your so called life."
Dude, the answer has been stated more than once on this thread. Also, no anthropologist would state that haplotype J isn't caucasoid. Semities are just one sub group of Caucasoids. This has been made clear to you. Semites cluster closer to Europeans than ANY group. I believe someone posted a graph on this thread about that but you simply ignored it.
"also I had someone ask me this question:If the Semites are of Caucasian descent why do they speak Semitic tongues and not Indo-European tongues?"
More than one person has posted that not all European groups are related to Aryans. Basques, for example (And for the second friggin' time, are not Indo- Europeans and their language isn't Indo- European, but are they Caucasoid? yes, they are. The Irish are mostly Non- Indo Europeans. Are you going to tell me that the Irish aren't Caucasoids. Indo- Europeans, like Semites, are just one group under the racial Caucasoid umbrella.
"don't care if foolish people get angry that is their problem. All you can do anodyne is call people a fool. Why don't you get back to your life and shut up. I thought you were not going to post in this thread anymore. I am not going to be bullied into not asking the questions. And this goes to anyone out their who are thinking about what I am saying, don't let people like anodyne keep you quiet ask the tough questions. It's the only way to get to the truth. "
You don't want answers that contradict your foolish assumption. You have received answers to your questions over and over again by more than one person but you ignore them and restate your question again. If you don't like the answers then attempt to take it apart. But you don't bother because you can't. And I don't bully anyone. If you look at my threads I may be sarcastic towards people but I don't call them fools or idiots unless provoked. If you don't want to be called a fool then take apart the answers people give you rather than avoiding them by repeating the same foolish statement and posting links that no way proves your case. In other words, attempt to think logically to win your argument.
"also I did not want to argue over this because I knew that anodyne would come in to make stupid comments. Somebody needs to make a new thread about ethiopia and yemen."
You're just upset that I keep ripping apart your arguments. It's not very difficult. I wasn't going to post anymore but the way you argue is simply unbearable and I had to say something.
If you want to make a new thread about Ethiopia and Yemen then do so.
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Post by king on Nov 10, 2005 16:54:17 GMT -5
anodyne said he only calls people a fool when he is provoked, but in his early post before he modified the idiot had called me a fool. The only thing I did to provoke the fool was ask tough questions, if he does not like my questions well then that is just too bad for him. I want to ask people who I think know a little about what they are talking about. I came to dodona to learn from smart people, not to get into arguements with idiots. If me asking if J lineage was caucasoid struck a nerve with him well thats just too bad. I never was up on making the caucasoid debate a big thing. He talks about ripping apart my arguements but he hasn't ripped apart my arguements. He told me not to use afrocentric websites, if he feels some sort of pride in that well then I hope he is happy. I am not going to waste my time getting into arguements.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 10, 2005 19:23:47 GMT -5
"anodyne said he only calls people a fool when he is provoked, but in his early post before he modified the idiot had called me a fool."
You called me idiot first. I decided it would be in bad taste to act like you.
"The only thing I did to provoke the fool was ask tough questions, if he does not like my questions well then that is just too bad for him. I want to ask people who I think know a little about what they are talking about. I came to dodona to learn from smart people, not to get into arguements with idiots."
hahahahah... ummm... yopu must be refering to yourself there, buddy. Your "tough" questions aren't tough at all. They've been asnwered and proven by a few people on this thread. Not only do i make fun of you but i rip apart your arguments. All you do is attempt to insult me but you lack wit as well logic.
"If me asking if J lineage was caucasoid struck a nerve with him well thats just too bad. I never was up on making the caucasoid debate a big thing."
It was a dumb question that you keep asking after people tell you the answer over.. and over.... and over again... Instead of repeating your statement that haplotype J isn't caucasoid how about taking the argument apart. You don't even bother.
"He talks about ripping apart my arguements but he hasn't ripped apart my arguements. He told me not to use afrocentric websites, if he feels some sort of pride in that well then I hope he is happy. I am not going to waste my time getting into arguements."
Anyone going back and looking through this thread can see that you have been schooled very badly. Even you know it. That's why you avoid attacking my argument or the arguments of others. For example, in my last post i gave you some information (that has been repeated a few times on this thread) and instead of attempting to take my argument apart you attack me. Can't you do both? attack me and my argument? or are you unable to?
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Post by king on Nov 10, 2005 21:00:00 GMT -5
I don't know what he is talking about me being schooled, but this must be the most enjoyment he gets out of life so I cannot really get angry at his behaviour. It was not a dumb question being asked because semetic has roots in africa. I just wanted to make sure if them being called caucasoid was correct or not. Please tell me what arguements I avoid that you have proposed. I really think it is sad that dodona has a full member like anodyne. He called me a fool and then childishly says I called him a name first. I am not going to let this stop me from posting on dodona. If I wanted to refute J lineage being caucasoid I would try to. I was looking to see WHY I should consider it caucasoid and not asiatic/semetic. I am not going to get in a he said she said with anodyne, he is just a fool. What arguement do you want me to attack anodyne. I said early on in this thread that I was not looking to get into an arguement. This must be the highlight of anodynes life so people let him have his fun, once a fool always a fool.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 10, 2005 21:40:49 GMT -5
Oh, please.. stop your whinning. You did come in here looking for an argument. You attacked me personally and now you pretend to be a diplomat. That's not even important but you should stop whinning. I'm not trying to bully you into not posting at dodona. I don't bring arguments from one thread into another if you decide to post ona different topic.
"I was looking to see WHY I should consider it caucasoid and not asiatic/semetic"
That's why it's dumb. Semites group closer to Europeans. I stated (for the second time) that earlier someone posted charts. In one of those charts you see that Semites cluster with Europeans. How about going back and looking at that chart instead of whinning. Also, you never told me whether Basques and Irishmen are not caucasoids? They aren't indo- Europeans so under your reasoning they would be what... exactly?
"This must be the highlight of anodynes life so people let him have his fun, once a fool always a fool."
The highlight of my life would be seeing fools commit mass suicide. I have to deal with them everyday and it's tiring.
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Post by king on Nov 10, 2005 22:35:05 GMT -5
It must get tiring dealing with fools since you are one. This is my last post for tonight. I hope people understand, you are going to have fools try and stand in your way In many things, just as long as you stick to your convictions you will come out all right. Now I have to go because unlike anodyne my life does not revolve around making stupid comments on a forum. And nothing he said is going to make me not post on dodona.
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Post by anodyne on Nov 10, 2005 22:37:42 GMT -5
Thanks for whining some more rather than posting something of substance.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 11, 2005 6:59:53 GMT -5
King, Caucasoid doesn't have anything to do with the languages spoken in the Caucasus. Blumenbach named the West Eurasian cluster "Caucasoid" because he thought Georgians had some handsome skulls and were the epitome of West Eurasian morphology. That's really all there is to it.
And the Semitic-speakers of the Middle East are in fact closer to Caucasus folk than most Europeans, anyway, so a Syrian probably has more right to be called Caucasoid than a Swede. But that's beside the point. They're all a part of the same cluster stretching from Europe to North Africa to West Asia to North India.
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Post by dplacid1 on Nov 11, 2005 8:15:35 GMT -5
r u lot sure the original jews were closer to europeans then africans i thoght they were mixed.
anyway lets talk about the ancient egyptians. and the overwhelming evidence of caucasian ancient egyptians.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Nov 11, 2005 8:25:13 GMT -5
There's too much conflicting evidence for me to make a determination at this point. So I reserve my judgement. I just know what the AE's didn't look like. They didn't look like me nor did they look like the black guy down the street.
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Post by dplacid1 on Nov 11, 2005 8:39:40 GMT -5
fair enough, a lot of them at certain periods seem to be of mixed race like the race of men in seti 1 tomb that is a mixed race person. i feel the race of men depicted in seti 1 tomb and ramesses 3 tomb is thier own version of what the perfect egyptian is to them, ots not like the average egyptian had access to their tombs.
i reckon seti 1 was white and his partner who produced ramesses 2 was black so the perfect egyptian to seti was mixed race. ramesses 2 was mixed race and he got with a black woman to produce ramesses 3 ramesses the 3 looks black to me on the portraits ive seen he was technically 3/4 black so his tomb shows other africans and egyptians as the same. thats my opinion on some of the issues regarding the race of ancient egyptians.
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