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Post by Tautamo on May 6, 2005 10:35:09 GMT -5
i saw this show about the Fugu Planand they mentioned that the British during ww2 didnt let jewish people go into the holyland.then i wondered why? anyone know what the reasoning was? its pretty strange!
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Post by Melnorme on May 6, 2005 11:02:18 GMT -5
Wha? The reason is obvious, they didn't want to start pissing off the Arabs in the middle of a goddamned World War.
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Post by Tautamo on May 6, 2005 11:16:42 GMT -5
Wha? The reason is obvious, they didn't want to start pissing of the Arabs in the middle of a goddamned World War. it just sounded weird though i mean not leting jewish people into isreal? how about prior to world war 2?
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Post by Tautamo on May 6, 2005 11:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by Meddish on May 7, 2005 4:34:45 GMT -5
Dont worry they soon made up for it! after Jewish terrorists like the Igrun and Stern gangs used to hang british soldiers from piano wire by the throat in a field full of land mines and grenades so thier friends couldent get to them in time as they died a slow painfull death of strangulation!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Curious6 on May 7, 2005 5:38:19 GMT -5
LOL, Meddish, what Arab propagandist site have you set as your homepage? Your timing is off man, the WWII was from 1939 to 1945 and the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917. I don't see why you should be angry at all, we have the same right to self-determination according to the principles laid out in the UN Charter as any other populations in the world.
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Post by Curious6 on May 7, 2005 5:41:37 GMT -5
I'll give you my humble opinion on this article. I believe it is undoubtedly far too short to cover it extensively. It probably provides an interesting summary, but in order to get a more accurate and comprehensive view I recommend the following site: www.palestinefacts.orgIt is accurate, reliable and provides links to many other sources. I must admit that there is a slight pro-Zionist bias, but it still is an accurate reference site.
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Post by Meddish on May 7, 2005 5:47:06 GMT -5
LOL, Meddish, what Arab propagandist site have you set as your homepage? Your timing is off man, the WWII was from 1939 to 1945 and the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917. I don't see why you should be angry at all, we have the same right to self-determination according to the principles laid out in the UN Charter as any other populations in the world. Yes I know that? the igrun and stern were active after 1945! And screw the UN charter! you dont have a right to steal Arab lands full stop and dispalce the people!!! because of some "myth" that 2000 years ago your "race" whatever the f*ck that is when it comes to jews!!! belongs in palestine!
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Post by Curious6 on May 7, 2005 5:52:05 GMT -5
Yes I know that? the igrun and stern were active after 1945! And screw the UN charter! you dont have a right to steal Arab lands full stop and dispalce the people!!! I wasn't referring to the Irgun and Stern, but to the point you made that the British made up for it AFTER WWII by issuing the Balfour Declaration. I don't understand why you say it is stealing land, the land was legally purchased by Zionists arriving in the late 19th century and early 20th century. These land purchases were made generally from absentee landlords, and both the act of purchasing and the subsequent immigration were perfectly allowed under both Ottoman and British rule. In 1947, the UN Partition Plan (UNGAR 181) gave the Jews 54% of the land in which they were a 2/3 majority. I don't see how this is 'stealing' in any way. Please explain yourself.
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Post by Curious6 on May 7, 2005 5:55:34 GMT -5
because of some "myth" that 2000 years ago your "race" whatever the f*ck that is when it comes to jews!!! belongs in palestine! Are you going to question this basic fact? It is extensively documented that Jews were expelled from the land about 2,000 years ago, in what is commonly called the Diaspora and which still lasts nowadays. I hope you are not going to try to refute this.
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Post by Meddish on May 7, 2005 5:58:20 GMT -5
Are you going to question this basic fact? It is extensively documented that Jews were expelled from the land about 2,000 years ago, in what is commonly called the Diaspora and which still lasts nowadays. I hope you are not going to try to refute this. Which jews the black jews of east africa the falashas? the semitic jews of arabia or the european jews or maybe the turkic mongolian jews of china!!! face it your not a race your a collection of races sharing a religion. www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story800.html
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Post by Curious6 on May 7, 2005 6:03:29 GMT -5
Which jews the black jews of east africa the falashas? the semitic jews of arabia or the european jews or maybe the turkic mongolian jews of china!!! face it your not a race your a collection of races sharing a religion. I was referring to the two most common ones, as surely you will admit: Sephardis and Ashkenazis. There is no doubt that they were living there 2,000 years ago until after the Romans expelled them. By the way, if you care to research any genetics study, they all go against the point you are claiming. Jews share a common origin in the Middle East, although you are right about the black Jews of East Africa. They are not of the same 'stock', but undoubtedly the Sephardis and the Ashkenazis are of a common origin (even though Ashkenazis have a higher proportion of European admxiture).
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Post by Meddish on May 7, 2005 6:12:06 GMT -5
I was referring to the two most common ones, as surely you will admit: Sephardis and Ashkenazis. There is no doubt that they were living there 2,000 years ago until after the Romans expelled them. By the way, if you care to research any genetics study, they all go against the point you are claiming. Jews share a common origin in the Middle East, although you are right about the black Jews of East Africa. They are not of the same 'stock', but undoubtedly the Sephardis and the Ashkenazis are of a common origin (even though Ashkenazis have a higher proportion of European admxiture). So you admit the jews are a diverse and not ethnicly homogenous people! ha so what "right" do they have to Palestine then? esp if they dont practise judaism!! lol as for your so called genetic studies they are as convincing as any other piece of zionist propaganda no doubt there will be more and more all proving that the jews belong in palestine and that arabs arent a race there all mullatoes o wait they already have lol how convenaint!! Yeah sicillians and spainards have some middle -eastern DNa so I suppose they can take back yemen and syria and claim that as there home as well!!!?? what a joke!
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Post by Curious6 on May 7, 2005 6:26:17 GMT -5
So you admit the jews are a diverse and not ethnicly homogenous people! ha so what "right" do they have to Palestine then? esp if they dont practise judaism!! lol as for your so called genetic studies they are as convincing as any other piece of zionist propaganda no doubt there will be more and more all proving that the jews belong in palestine and that arabs arent a race there all mullatoes o wait they already have lol how convenaint!! Yeah sicillians and spainards have some middle -eastern DNa so I suppose they can take back yemen and syria and claim that as there home as well!!!?? what a joke! I think you misread what I said. I clearly stated that most Jews have ancestral ties to the land of Israel and there is NO doubt about that. Most of us ARE of the same 'racial stock' (I don't like to use that word because it is inaccurate but I am more or less forced to do so). However, it is clear that some Jews of East Africa are not of the same origins as the vast majority of us. These East African Jews are clearly a minority though, so you shouldn't base your views on them. About the point of Spaniards and Sicilians having Middle Eastern DNA, that is true, although the average is estimated to be 20% and the admixture occurred close to 10,000 years ago (called the Neolithic demic diffusion), so we can confidently say that they were absorbed into the host population. It is safe to say that Spaniards have NO connection whatsoever to the Middle East. This is because they are clearly largely of 'Iberian stock' and the Middle Eastern agriculturalists were absorbed into the Paleolithic populations of the country, unlike Jews who are a people with origins in the Middle East and haven't been absorbed into the host population and retained their heritage over these 2,000 years. So your point about Spaniards' and Sicilians' claims to Syria don't apply, as you can clearly see. Your point about religion is also quite ignorant. Should a Moroccan not be considered a Moroccan because he is not a Muslim, should an Italian not be considered an Italian because he is not a Roman Catholic? Are you implying this? This point is even more ridiculous than the previous one. By the way, if you call scientific studies corroborated by peer review Zionist propaganda then I clearly call into question your abilities to differentiate between objective sources and plain propaganda.
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Post by Meddish on May 7, 2005 6:33:40 GMT -5
I think you misread what I said. I clearly stated that most Jews have ancestral ties to the land of Israel and there is NO doubt about that. Most of us ARE of the same 'racial stock' (I don't like to use that word because it is inaccurate but I am more or less forced to do so). However, it is clear that some Jews of East Africa are not of the same origins as the vast majority of us. These East African Jews are clearly a minority though, so you shouldn't base your views on them. About the point of Spaniards and Sicilians having Middle Eastern DNA, that is true, although the average is estimated to be 20% and the admixture occurred close to 10,000 years ago, so we can say that they were absorbed into the host population. It is safe to say that Spaniards have NO connection whatsoever to the Middle East. This is because they are clearly largely of 'Iberian stock' and the Middle Eastern agriculturalists were absorbed into the Paleolithic populations of the country, unlike Jews who are a people with origins in the Middle East and haven't been absorbed into the host population and retained their heritage over these 2,000 years. So your point about Spaniards' and Sicilians' claims to Syria don't apply, as you can clearly see. RE:No they have DNA that corresponds to middle-eastern DNA full stop! hence by your argument they should also claim he right to return! lol after all your "people" have been in the "wilderness" for over 2000 years! or is your right to return based only on 2000 year old inhabitants of the middle-east lol what a joke! oooooo I forgot your people also have mongolian and european blood so perhaps you can take some of those countrys and claim them for your own! FACE IT JEWS BELONG NO WHERE ethnically speaking! RE:Your point about religion is also quite ignorant. Should a Moroccan not be considered a Moroccan because he is not a Muslim, should an Italian not be considered an Italian because he is not a Roman Catholic? Are you implying this? This point is even more ridiculous than the previous one. Ok lets base it purely on race then see above for an answer! you see you cant have it both ways and one way or the other your argument just becomes non-senseical! RE:By the way, if you call scientific studies corroborated by peer review Zionist propaganda then I clearly call into question your abilities to differentiate between objective sources and plain propaganda. You may have fooled the goyim on this board with your talmudic tall tails but not this son of SHEM!
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