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Post by topdog on Jul 5, 2005 0:48:22 GMT -5
<<The first civilization by the way were the Olmecs. Civiliations are the result of agricultural surplus. >> LOL! And that web-site was sure B.S! Wow everything is BS to you, if it involves black people doing something. |
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Post by mmmkay on Jul 5, 2005 3:18:55 GMT -5
Its B.S! "Houston we have a problem"!  Yo momma crimsonguard!! ;D ;D God i love that name, has nice stormfront ring to it like "white renegade!" or "defender of the race!". I think this deserves a: ITZ COMING!!!!!! |
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Post by mmmkay on Jul 5, 2005 3:22:04 GMT -5
Because genes are correlated with race. That is why geneticists can assign a biological sample with near 100% certainty to a socially defined racial group. Racial groups are almost identical to biological genetic clusters. genes do *NOT* always correlated with race and genetics play no role in the rise of civilisations. That's just Dienekes being him. Just because he has a relatively popular blog and posts the latest anthropolical studies does'nt mean he's right. He lends his own interpretation to them ofcourse. |
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Post by mike2 on Jul 5, 2005 13:28:35 GMT -5
This is true. Dienekes is popular because he has almost singlehandedly destroyed the credibility of Nordicism and Afrocentrism on the internet. Unfortunately, it looks as if he also harbors his own form of subtle racialism.
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Post by topdog on Jul 5, 2005 14:02:01 GMT -5
This is true. Dienekes is popular because he has almost singlehandedly destroyed the credibility of Nordicism and Afrocentrism on the internet. Unfortunately, it looks as if he also harbors his own form of subtle racialism. Refuting idiots like Arthur Kemp and lame extreme Afrocentrics[Greece is black, wow] is no great accomplishment. Dienekes is a closet racialist which is why he responded when I made my comment about grouping people together as Mediterraneans and invoking race. You can see it right for yourself in this archived post of his. He refutes Nordicists and Afrocentrists but equally promotes Mediterranean Race superiority and whats even funny is that he uses quotes and data from old outdated sources. |
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 5, 2005 14:08:49 GMT -5
While Dienekes is certainly something of a 'Southern European racial enthusiast', it's not correct to label him a 'racialist', in the sense of someone who identifies with his race over his culture, religion or fellow citizens.
I think we can say the same is true for you, Charlie, no?
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Post by eufrenio on Jul 5, 2005 14:27:29 GMT -5
While Dienekes is certainly something of a 'Southern European racial enthusiast', it's not correct to label him a 'racialist', in the sense of someone who identifies with his race over his culture, religion or fellow citizens. I think we can say the same is true for you, Charlie, no? Dienekes, a 'Southern European racial enthusiast'? He´s just a Hellenic patriot, IMO. As you say, in that he´s no different from Charlie, or almost anybody else. Who doesn´t take pride in his own people? |
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Post by eufrenio on Jul 5, 2005 14:29:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it looks as if he also harbors his own form of subtle racialism. How so, Mike? Can you give us an example of his alleged "racialism"? |
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Post by topdog on Jul 5, 2005 14:32:01 GMT -5
While Dienekes is certainly something of a 'Southern European racial enthusiast', it's not correct to label him a 'racialist', in the sense of someone who identifies with his race over his culture, religion or fellow citizens. I think we can say the same is true for you, Charlie, no? Based on that archived post of his he's certainly far from being a Southern European enthusiast, what do Babylon, Egypt and Syria have to do with Southern Europe? Citing Sergi certainly does more harm than good for him. |
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Post by topdog on Jul 5, 2005 14:32:50 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it looks as if he also harbors his own form of subtle racialism. How so, Mike? Can you give us an example of his alleged "racialism"? He doesn't have to, I just did. |
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Post by topdog on Jul 5, 2005 14:34:54 GMT -5
While Dienekes is certainly something of a 'Southern European racial enthusiast', it's not correct to label him a 'racialist', in the sense of someone who identifies with his race over his culture, religion or fellow citizens. I think we can say the same is true for you, Charlie, no? Dienekes, a 'Southern European racial enthusiast'? He´s just a Hellenic patriot, IMO. As you say, in that he´s no different from Charlie, or almost anybody else. Who doesn´t take pride in his own people? If that being the case, why does he focus attention on E3b, Ethiopian DNA and Egypt? |
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 5, 2005 14:37:17 GMT -5
Based on that archived post of his he's certainly far from being a Southern European enthusiast, what do Babylon, Egypt and Syria have to do with Southern Europe? Citing Sergi certainly does more harm than good for him. Well, I guess he was identifying 'Southern European'-like racial elements in Babylon, Egypt and Syria. Here's how I think of it, with 'Southern European' replaced with 'white' : A 'white racial enthusiast' would say : "Whites invented most of the world's important inventions. They even had influence in exotic places like Central Asia! ( Tocharians )" A 'white racialist' might say that, and add : "Whites should look only after their own kind." A 'white racist' would say all of that, and add : "And expell all of the ugly muds!"  |
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Post by mike2 on Jul 5, 2005 14:40:58 GMT -5
It's really just his unwillingness to come to grips with the fact that some of his ideas about race are outdated and are in desperate need of revision. He believes in the True Negro, for example.
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Post by topdog on Jul 5, 2005 14:46:38 GMT -5
It's not any particular thing he has said that I can recall. It's the cold, haughty, and condescending vibes he gives off when he says it. It's like he lives and breathes "all hail the Mediterranean!" and frankly it's a little disturbing.  But really, it's just his unwillingness to come to grips with the fact that some of his ideas about race are outdated. He believes in the True Negro, for example. Mike, I have an email reply from Dr Peter Underhill I'm going to forward you in reference to Y chromosones and bone morphology. You'll be the first to get it so that no one can say anything when I present it racialreality about his ridiculous claims. |
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Post by eufrenio on Jul 5, 2005 14:51:00 GMT -5
Dienekes, a 'Southern European racial enthusiast'? He´s just a Hellenic patriot, IMO. As you say, in that he´s no different from Charlie, or almost anybody else. Who doesn´t take pride in his own people? If that being the case, why does he focus attention on E3b, Ethiopian DNA and Egypt? He´s entitled to his own opinions, just as you are to yours. Science advances by the clash of ideas and paradigms. (By the way, I cannot access the archived post you linked to) |
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