Post by Igu on Jun 5, 2004 6:49:59 GMT -5
Sorry moderators, but I have to past the text cuz it's a translation from a text written in french,
for those of you who can understand french:
www.kabyle.com/article.php3?id_article=8907
for the others, here is an approximate translation (systran):
By Lounis Igderzen
When HOLLYWOOD is interested in the North-African Heroes
Hannibal Barca, first clap for 2005
News of Hannibal the conqueror made in Hollywood
At the hour when Hollywood "literally" makes a return to films of "Sands and Sandals Sand and Sandals" *, Hannibal Barca is the next target one of two American giants of the cinema: Fox and One Race Production.
These two firms are in conflict on their two versions and "are in pipeline" to recall the epopee of the famous Carthaginian General.
One puts in scene Denzel Washington, the other Diesel Wine to endorse the costume of the famous grêlon of Carthage.
But to date only one version, that of One Race Production, is profiled at the horizon under the features of Diesel Wine, actor and producer, in the skin of the héro northern African. First clap for 2005.
In Hollywood, the polemic caused many debates impassioned in the cinematographic higher realms.
The physical features of the famous conqueror were the first subject of discords. Which actor could thus cover the adequate physical features to represent our hero accurately?
If for One Race Production the answer is is little "kind of", that of Twentieth Century Fox, as for it, is resounding "yes! Hannibal is one, and… "to take again their expression" a full Negro ".
As information misses and that the little bit of information one has satisfies neither the ones nor the others, the most imaginative speculations if not most whimsical were launched.
If in the spirit of the nords-Africans the question does not arise, for the afro-centrists in search of historical heroes, the ancestors of the current Africans of the North whose Hannibal are negros.
For George S. Khalaf, ethno-historian libano-Syrian with whom it question was posed by one of the people working in Hollywood, Vin Diesel, mongrel italo afro-American definite itself like multiracial, is it is that which would approach the most reality.
As for Denzel Washington, an actor with the undeniable talent and the incomparable charisma, is afro-American physically contrary to to represent under the ethnic plan our subject.
Are the physical features significant in a cinematographic work?
Extract article was published on "organizations of black screenwriters" raised on www.africana.com < www.africana.com >
"… After many decades in which white actors played non-white characters, such have John Wayne' S curious portrayal of the Mongolian Genghis Khan in 1956' S" The Conqueror, "should non-whites like Washington now play ancient figures who were probably Caucasian, such have Hannibal? Significant How is it for actors to racially match to their characters?… "
Translation "… Since decades of the white actors played of the nonwhite characters, such as John Wayne in Gengis Khan into 1956." conquerrant It "; noncouldn't white, like Washington, interpret old figures which were probably Caucasians, such as Hannibal? Which importance, after all, for actors to resemble to their characters racialement?… "
I would answer this:
When characters represent not ethnos group specifies, history precise, case precise, that undoubtedly would import little, but when one touches with the history of a nation, of an ethnos group, with historical figures of which a whole people are behind, yes the importance is capital. Here in fact it is about history, of a character who existed. If one accepts this kind of heard evil, crowd which will see this film, and which undoubtedly for more the share is unaware of the history, will believe what their eyes see. The heard evil will become a real fact.
But like known as Helene HAGAN, "we do not want to be represented under the features of another ethnicity, with another dress another culture that ours."
Why doesn't Hollywood directly consult the people concerned, i.e. Imazighen themselves, in connection with this history?
Why the Berber ones are constantly ignored in what the key of very near?
Are we negligible entities so that whoever draws from our culture without we having our word to say? Why do we let make? - T-it does not have there not enough strong voice to defend our inheritance? We do not have also imminent scientists who can answer these questions of order ethnoculturel!
Why are we continuously trampled? And especially why do we let make?
Don't our scientists have a credit on their research and their writings?
Does our history have more value than when it is told by foreign people with our culture?
Aren't our scientists taken with serious so that one does not call upon them?
Or, quite simply don't we have scientists?
When Afro centrists adapt the Berbères heroes
The schoolboys afro-American, in search of historical heroes, admire, consider, and for a long time assert Hannibal, Kahina or Massinissa like models of racial heroes.
In connection with KAHINA
John Henrik Clark, written afro-centrist
"… Have both year historian and has conscious African man, I amndt constantly impressed by the stature and majesty of African women and to their prominent position in the pages of world history. From the earliest times, African women were loved, honored, respected and adored in Africa and around the world. African women often administered mighty nations, and sometimes even led victorious in battle. Dahia Al-Kahina of Mauretania, North Africa was one such example. Al-Kahina, described have possessing "dark skin, has mass of to hair," was has Moorish freedom fighter, resistance leader and African patriot. The term Moor, meaning scorched gold black, was has designation applied to the Black populations of Northwest Africa. Year early Muslim scholar, in discussing the ethnicity of the Moorish women of North Africa, wrote simply that "to their color is black...."
Translation
"… Like a historian and conscious African man, I am constantly impressed by the stature and the majesty of the African women and their eminent position in the pages of the history of the world. Dice the beginning of the oldest times, the African women were liked, honoured, respected and adored in Africa and throughout the world. The African women often managed powerful nations, and even sometimes carried out victorious combat. Dahia Al-Kahina of Maurétanie, North Africa, was an example.
Al-Kahina, described like having "a dark skin, thick hair" was a Moor, fighting, of freedom, leading of resistance and a African patriot.
The Moor term, meaning burned or black, was a designation applied to the Noires populations of the North-West of Africa. A former Moslem well-read man, discussing the ethnicity of the women Moors of North Africa, wrote simply this "their color is black…"
Error, badly heard or quite simply a will deliberated to mislead the world: let us see Mr Henrik Clark here confuses all and mixes all, Dahya Damya known as Kahina is not Western North of Maurétanie (current north of Morocco) is not nor a Moor, but Massyle of the Algerian east which corresponds today to Aurès. I would like that Mr Clark says to me of which language the word Moor does come?
If it is of Latin, the word is Niger negro-black nero, if it is into Berber the word is Averkhan, if it is in Arabic the word is K' hel.
With less than that would mean brown, but the brown color does not mean black at all. Indians of the Indies which would have given the Indo-European people, will we qualify them négroïde? Morphologiquement their features are Caucasian and yet their skin is very dark.
RUNOKO RASHIDI, wrote in connection with Massinissa and its ethnicity
"Massinissa was has Numidian… The Numidians were of mixed Berber and Ethiopian ancestry. The Berbers claimed descent from the Mazoi, the Negro soldiers of ancient Egypt. Their numbers, like others of the peoples of northern Africa, were continually reinforced by Negro peoples from the south brought in ace Slavic prisoners and. The great strength of both Carthage and Numidia was the renowned Numidlan cavalry… "
for those of you who can understand french:
www.kabyle.com/article.php3?id_article=8907
for the others, here is an approximate translation (systran):
By Lounis Igderzen
When HOLLYWOOD is interested in the North-African Heroes
Hannibal Barca, first clap for 2005
News of Hannibal the conqueror made in Hollywood
At the hour when Hollywood "literally" makes a return to films of "Sands and Sandals Sand and Sandals" *, Hannibal Barca is the next target one of two American giants of the cinema: Fox and One Race Production.
These two firms are in conflict on their two versions and "are in pipeline" to recall the epopee of the famous Carthaginian General.
One puts in scene Denzel Washington, the other Diesel Wine to endorse the costume of the famous grêlon of Carthage.
But to date only one version, that of One Race Production, is profiled at the horizon under the features of Diesel Wine, actor and producer, in the skin of the héro northern African. First clap for 2005.
In Hollywood, the polemic caused many debates impassioned in the cinematographic higher realms.
The physical features of the famous conqueror were the first subject of discords. Which actor could thus cover the adequate physical features to represent our hero accurately?
If for One Race Production the answer is is little "kind of", that of Twentieth Century Fox, as for it, is resounding "yes! Hannibal is one, and… "to take again their expression" a full Negro ".
As information misses and that the little bit of information one has satisfies neither the ones nor the others, the most imaginative speculations if not most whimsical were launched.
If in the spirit of the nords-Africans the question does not arise, for the afro-centrists in search of historical heroes, the ancestors of the current Africans of the North whose Hannibal are negros.
For George S. Khalaf, ethno-historian libano-Syrian with whom it question was posed by one of the people working in Hollywood, Vin Diesel, mongrel italo afro-American definite itself like multiracial, is it is that which would approach the most reality.
As for Denzel Washington, an actor with the undeniable talent and the incomparable charisma, is afro-American physically contrary to to represent under the ethnic plan our subject.
Are the physical features significant in a cinematographic work?
Extract article was published on "organizations of black screenwriters" raised on www.africana.com < www.africana.com >
"… After many decades in which white actors played non-white characters, such have John Wayne' S curious portrayal of the Mongolian Genghis Khan in 1956' S" The Conqueror, "should non-whites like Washington now play ancient figures who were probably Caucasian, such have Hannibal? Significant How is it for actors to racially match to their characters?… "
Translation "… Since decades of the white actors played of the nonwhite characters, such as John Wayne in Gengis Khan into 1956." conquerrant It "; noncouldn't white, like Washington, interpret old figures which were probably Caucasians, such as Hannibal? Which importance, after all, for actors to resemble to their characters racialement?… "
I would answer this:
When characters represent not ethnos group specifies, history precise, case precise, that undoubtedly would import little, but when one touches with the history of a nation, of an ethnos group, with historical figures of which a whole people are behind, yes the importance is capital. Here in fact it is about history, of a character who existed. If one accepts this kind of heard evil, crowd which will see this film, and which undoubtedly for more the share is unaware of the history, will believe what their eyes see. The heard evil will become a real fact.
But like known as Helene HAGAN, "we do not want to be represented under the features of another ethnicity, with another dress another culture that ours."
Why doesn't Hollywood directly consult the people concerned, i.e. Imazighen themselves, in connection with this history?
Why the Berber ones are constantly ignored in what the key of very near?
Are we negligible entities so that whoever draws from our culture without we having our word to say? Why do we let make? - T-it does not have there not enough strong voice to defend our inheritance? We do not have also imminent scientists who can answer these questions of order ethnoculturel!
Why are we continuously trampled? And especially why do we let make?
Don't our scientists have a credit on their research and their writings?
Does our history have more value than when it is told by foreign people with our culture?
Aren't our scientists taken with serious so that one does not call upon them?
Or, quite simply don't we have scientists?
When Afro centrists adapt the Berbères heroes
The schoolboys afro-American, in search of historical heroes, admire, consider, and for a long time assert Hannibal, Kahina or Massinissa like models of racial heroes.
In connection with KAHINA
John Henrik Clark, written afro-centrist
"… Have both year historian and has conscious African man, I amndt constantly impressed by the stature and majesty of African women and to their prominent position in the pages of world history. From the earliest times, African women were loved, honored, respected and adored in Africa and around the world. African women often administered mighty nations, and sometimes even led victorious in battle. Dahia Al-Kahina of Mauretania, North Africa was one such example. Al-Kahina, described have possessing "dark skin, has mass of to hair," was has Moorish freedom fighter, resistance leader and African patriot. The term Moor, meaning scorched gold black, was has designation applied to the Black populations of Northwest Africa. Year early Muslim scholar, in discussing the ethnicity of the Moorish women of North Africa, wrote simply that "to their color is black...."
Translation
"… Like a historian and conscious African man, I am constantly impressed by the stature and the majesty of the African women and their eminent position in the pages of the history of the world. Dice the beginning of the oldest times, the African women were liked, honoured, respected and adored in Africa and throughout the world. The African women often managed powerful nations, and even sometimes carried out victorious combat. Dahia Al-Kahina of Maurétanie, North Africa, was an example.
Al-Kahina, described like having "a dark skin, thick hair" was a Moor, fighting, of freedom, leading of resistance and a African patriot.
The Moor term, meaning burned or black, was a designation applied to the Noires populations of the North-West of Africa. A former Moslem well-read man, discussing the ethnicity of the women Moors of North Africa, wrote simply this "their color is black…"
Error, badly heard or quite simply a will deliberated to mislead the world: let us see Mr Henrik Clark here confuses all and mixes all, Dahya Damya known as Kahina is not Western North of Maurétanie (current north of Morocco) is not nor a Moor, but Massyle of the Algerian east which corresponds today to Aurès. I would like that Mr Clark says to me of which language the word Moor does come?
If it is of Latin, the word is Niger negro-black nero, if it is into Berber the word is Averkhan, if it is in Arabic the word is K' hel.
With less than that would mean brown, but the brown color does not mean black at all. Indians of the Indies which would have given the Indo-European people, will we qualify them négroïde? Morphologiquement their features are Caucasian and yet their skin is very dark.
RUNOKO RASHIDI, wrote in connection with Massinissa and its ethnicity
"Massinissa was has Numidian… The Numidians were of mixed Berber and Ethiopian ancestry. The Berbers claimed descent from the Mazoi, the Negro soldiers of ancient Egypt. Their numbers, like others of the peoples of northern Africa, were continually reinforced by Negro peoples from the south brought in ace Slavic prisoners and. The great strength of both Carthage and Numidia was the renowned Numidlan cavalry… "