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Post by Said Mohammad on May 14, 2004 10:34:00 GMT -5
More important is to find out why Snoop Doggy Dog wasn't casted to play Jesus Christ in Mel Gibson's "The Passion www.stewartsynopsis.com/... Blowing up another smokecreen alex? That shitty little website is the opinion of one black person, you know so very little about black people, which is why I'm still banned from your forum.
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Post by Octavivs on May 14, 2004 11:10:03 GMT -5
The counter arguments you made in Poe's forum were bullshit, just like this lame thread about something stupid. You're mad because you were banned for trolling Oct. HAhahahaah... you don´t even know why I was banned. That "Thought" guy was saying that Cavalli-Sforza said the Berbers were black. I was trying to send the true Cavalli-Sforza affirmations, that would kick his ass and Poe´s ass too. Poe changed my words and didn´t published the Sforza´s studies I sent. And invented a excuse to ban me. Bullshit are the arguments you assholes use to try to convince eberyone important was black. You use exceptions to try to make them appear the rule. Pfff... And why you are using a Arabic name? ashamed of your origins, Said? Or you, like the assholes in Poe´s forum, will try to convince me the Arabs are mullattos?
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 14, 2004 11:14:44 GMT -5
HAhahahaah... you don´t even know why I was banned. That "Thought" guy was saying that Cavalli-Sforza said the Berbers were black. I was trying to send the true Cavalli-Sforza affirmations, that would kick his ass and Poe´s ass too. Poe changed my words and didn´t published the Sforza´s studies I sent. And invented a excuse to ban me. Bullshit are the arguments you assholes use to try to convince eberyone important was black. You use exceptions to try to make them appear the rule. Pfff... And why you are using a Arabic name? ashamed of your origins, Said? Or you, like the assholes in Poe´s forum, will try to convince me the Arabs are mullattos? My name is Sai'du Audu Idris Mohammad, the first two names are Hausa, not Arab in origin. I don't think Thought said that Cavalli-Sforza said Berbers were black, although some Berbers are black for Berber refers to language, not a race of people. No, I don't think Arabs are mulattoes stupid, but neither are they white people. Arab really isn't a race either but also a linguistic term. Admit you were just atroll full of ad-hominem arguments and disruptions.
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Post by Graeme on May 14, 2004 12:13:42 GMT -5
Your first name sounds Arabic. Said is a Maltese surname, a gift of the Aghlabids I suppose.
Berber is a sub race of the caucasian race and always has been. Linguistically Berber has been supplanted by some form of Arabic koine. Berber can apply to the sub race and languages.
The Arabs were a sub race of the caucasian race up until Islam. After Islam it became a linguistic term only as conversion to Islam rendered the sub racial term meaningless due to racial mixing and absorption of non Arabs like Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians as Arabs. Arabic just refers to a bunch of loosely related languages with varying levels of mutual comprehension. Maltese is a form of Arabic. The sub racial Arabs lost their ethnicity on the acceptance of Islam.
I would not accuse other members of being trolls. Your dogmatism and blind total acceptance of various students of language is obsessive. The jury is still out on the so called Afro-Asian languages. Linguistics is a field full of mines, it is not a science but based on conjecture and hypotheses that can never be proven not matter what the supposed experts say. There is a term out of the Book "the blind leading the blind". That is your linguistics and linguistic experts.
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Post by Octavivs on May 14, 2004 15:00:34 GMT -5
Your first name sounds Arabic. Said is a Maltese surname, a gift of the Aghlabids I suppose. Berber is a sub race of the caucasian race and always has been. Linguistically Berber has been supplanted by some form of Arabic koine. Berber can apply to the sub race and languages. The Arabs were a sub race of the caucasian race up until Islam. After Islam it became a linguistic term only as conversion to Islam rendered the sub racial term meaningless due to racial mixing and absorption of non Arabs like Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians as Arabs. Arabic just refers to a bunch of loosely related languages with varying levels of mutual comprehension. Maltese is a form of Arabic. The sub racial Arabs lost their ethnicity on the acceptance of Islam. I would not accuse other members of being trolls. Your dogmatism and blind total acceptance of various students of language is obsessive. The jury is still out on the so called Afro-Asian languages. Linguistics is a field full of mines, it is not a science but based on conjecture and hypotheses that can never be proven not matter what the supposed experts say. There is a term out of the Book "the blind leading the blind". That is your linguistics and linguistic experts. Perfect. Thank you very much, Graeme. Said, you only speak bullshit, don´t try to appear superior to me. Arabs and Berbers are caucasians, like it or not. And "Thought" WAS trying to prove they were not. I said they were caucasians and that they always have been, and that Cavalli-Sforza studies support this affirmation. Than he said "Cavalli-Sforza did not said this, actually, he said they were black"... And look at the Poe´s afirmations trying to prove the Carthagineans were blacks: "The Lebanese descendants of the Phoenicians don’t look particularly black today, but that could well be for the same reason that Vin Diesel does not look particularly black: intermarriage. In 1852, 14 percent of Argentina’s population was black. Virtually no trace of this black population remains, after 150 years of intermarriage. Portugal too absorbed its black population – which had reached 10 percent by 1550 – through intermarriage. " I posted a lot of information that kicked this bullshit. I brought the true about this subjects. THAT´S why I was banned. I was showing Poe was wrong, and that he couldn´t accept. He is a troller himself. And you assholes who follow him are similar. I was trolling? Pfff...
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 14, 2004 16:27:59 GMT -5
Your first name sounds Arabic. Said is a Maltese surname, a gift of the Aghlabids I suppose. Berber is a sub race of the caucasian race and always has been. Linguistically Berber has been supplanted by some form of Arabic koine. Berber can apply to the sub race and languages. The Arabs were a sub race of the caucasian race up until Islam. After Islam it became a linguistic term only as conversion to Islam rendered the sub racial term meaningless due to racial mixing and absorption of non Arabs like Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians as Arabs. Arabic just refers to a bunch of loosely related languages with varying levels of mutual comprehension. Maltese is a form of Arabic. The sub racial Arabs lost their ethnicity on the acceptance of Islam. I would not accuse other members of being trolls. Your dogmatism and blind total acceptance of various students of language is obsessive. The jury is still out on the so called Afro-Asian languages. Linguistics is a field full of mines, it is not a science but based on conjecture and hypotheses that can never be proven not matter what the supposed experts say. There is a term out of the Book "the blind leading the blind". That is your linguistics and linguistic experts. I quoted two emminent linguists in Christopher Ehret and Joseph Greenberg and it is widely accepted that Afro-Asiatic did originate in East Africa along the Red Sea hills of Sudan and or Somalia. So far your response has been ad-homimen "thats Afrocentric", so in that regard you are likewise a troll with nothing to say. Why don't you post some of the information from these scholars you claim to know? Second, Berber is not a race stupid, there is considerable variation amond Berbers, from Tuaregs, to Sahrawis, to the Sanhadja to the Berbers of the Siwa Oasis. There is no Berber Race, it refers language. The same with Arabs or those who call themselves Arabs. The original Arabs of southern Arabia didn't look very Caucasian and if you look at groups like the Mahra and Himyar and other dark Arabs you'll see the difference idiot. As for linguistics again, you have no published papers or knowledge about Afrasian languages so who are you to call Greenberg and Ehert blind? Just sod off bugger!
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 14, 2004 16:33:47 GMT -5
Perfect. Thank you very much, Graeme. Said, you only speak bullshit, don´t try to appear superior to me. Arabs and Berbers are caucasians, like it or not. And "Thought" WAS trying to prove they were not. I said they were caucasians and that they always have been, and that Cavalli-Sforza studies support this affirmation. Than he said "Cavalli-Sforza did not said this, actually, he said they were black"... And look at the Poe´s afirmations trying to prove the Carthagineans were blacks: "The Lebanese descendants of the Phoenicians don’t look particularly black today, but that could well be for the same reason that Vin Diesel does not look particularly black: intermarriage. In 1852, 14 percent of Argentina’s population was black. Virtually no trace of this black population remains, after 150 years of intermarriage. Portugal too absorbed its black population – which had reached 10 percent by 1550 – through intermarriage. " I posted a lot of information that kicked this bullshit. I brought the true about this subjects. THAT´S why I was banned. I was showing Poe was wrong, and that he couldn´t accept. He is a troller himself. And you assholes who follow him are similar. I was trolling? Pfff... The original Arabs were not Caucasoid and you can see some of their descendants in southern Arabia to this day that are very much darker and totally distinct from Europeans. Genes do not reflect race , therefdore one cannot mention genes as Caucasian. . There is no Richard Poe or Thought here so if you would like to try and prove me wrong go ahead and try I'll hear the same ad-hominem whinning, I know it, but if you're up to the task try me. You sound just like alex, another Portuguese ad-hominam whinning son of a bitch, are all Portuguese this way?
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Post by Octavivs on May 14, 2004 17:01:24 GMT -5
The original Arabs were not Caucasoid and you can see some of their descendants in southern Arabia to this day that are very much darker and totally distinct from Europeans. Genes do not reflect race idiot, therefdore one cannot mention genes as Caucasian. You are a troll, but I'll make this challenge to you Octotroll. There is no Richard Poe or Thought here so if you would like to try and prove me wrong go ahead and try Mr Troll. I'll hear the same ad-hominem whinning, I know it, but if you're up to the task try me. You sound just like alex, another Portuguese ad-hominam whinning son of a bitch, are all Portuguese this way? Hahahahahah, Caucasian to you is Nordic? You probably think in race like Americans do.. You don´t even know racial divisions. Been dark is not Caucasian to you? Original Arabs are Caucasian yes,
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Post by Springa on May 14, 2004 17:03:14 GMT -5
Someone told me that the Argentinean blacks died in huge numbers during the Paraguay war in the 1860's, and that's the main reason why they completely disappeared. Does anyone know anything about that? In 1852, 14 percent of Argentina’s population was black. Virtually no trace of this black population remains, after 150 years of intermarriage. Portugal too absorbed its black population – which had reached 10 percent by 1550 – through intermarriage. "
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Post by Octavivs on May 14, 2004 17:06:36 GMT -5
Someone told me that the Argentinean blacks died in huge numbers during the Paraguay war in the 1860's, and that's the main reason why they completely disappeared. Does anyone know anything about that? Yes, they did that . Brazil tried to do the same, but unsuccessfully. But there is another reason too that helped terminating the Black Argentineans. In that times, a plague killed the rest. It´s a very well-known fact, but some Afrocentrist idiots don´t have enough knowledge about the subject, so they say the White absorved the Blacks. They like to believe in this shit... makes they feel better.
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Post by zain on May 14, 2004 18:52:09 GMT -5
himyar are the yemeni people mahra is a regoin between oman and yemen ,you are taking about few thousand black jabali in the coastl highland of mahar ,they are not arab ,and they don't speak arabic ,i will show you the diffrent between arab and non-arab of Mahra ,and there are many theory about them ,some said "out of africa" but now i thinke they maybe "out of south india" recently i found out they are linked to some of the island of the arabian sea ,i will open a new post about them .
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Post by AWAR on May 14, 2004 18:58:28 GMT -5
I deleted all the Ad-Hominems and insults I could. This has gone too far! Stop turning DODONA into a big flamewar... if you don't tone down the insults, I will have to start removing you from the forum.
Please, act more civilized. -AWAR Dodona administration.[/size]
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 14, 2004 20:06:39 GMT -5
himyar are the yemeni people mahra is a regoin between oman and yemen ,you are taking about few thousand black jabali in the coastl highland of mahar ,they are not arab ,and they don't speak arabic ,i will show you the diffrent between arab and non-arab of Mahra ,and there are many theory about them ,some said "out of africa" but now i thinke they maybe "out of south india" recently i found out they are linked to some of the island of the arabian sea ,i will open a new post about them . Here is a description of the Mahra: The language is derived from the language of the Sabaeans, Minaeans and Himyarites. The Mahra with other Southern Arabian peoples seem aligned to the Hamitic race of north-east Africa. The Mahra are believed to be descended from the Habasha, who colonised Ethiopia in the first millennium BC (WT p. 198). Many Bait Kathir understand the Mahri language. The Qarra and Mahra have almost beardless faces, fuzzy hair and dark pigmentation (WP171). This contrasts to the northern Arabs who are Semitic Caucasian.www.globalconnections.co.uk/pdfs/MAHRAArabs.pdf
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Post by Octavivs on May 14, 2004 20:23:20 GMT -5
I deleted all the Ad-Hominems and insults I could. This has gone too far! Stop turning DODONA into a big flamewar... if you don't tone down the insults, I will have to start removing you from the forum.
Please, act more civilized. -AWAR Dodona administration. [/size][/quote] Sorry, the agressive gentleman there always start whinning and insulting everyone. I apologize.
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Post by Graeme on May 15, 2004 12:03:04 GMT -5
Awar, how about this Said character. He is very aggressive about the Hamito-Semitic languages and his love of Greenberg and Ehret. He accuses others of being trolls. What is he?
I don't care how many eminent personages you want to quote. Opinion, even expert opinion is just that. As I said, Said linguistics is not a science, it is actually as scientific as astrology, phrenology and the racist theories of the Nazis. Until Messrs Greenberg and Ehret start shitting gold bricks I will take their conjectures and hypotheses, studious as they might be, with a tonne of salt. Ehret is a one trick pony. He has specialised in Africa. Therefore he is biased. In evolution specialisation leads to extinction. That what will happen to the Afro-Asiatic language group.
You are not logical and confuse things easily. For example, Berbers. You think because there are lots of very different types of people who call themselves Berbers today that they are all descended from the same stock. They are not. The Tuaregs are negroes or the result of excessive mixing with negroes. They have negro slaves too you know. I am not talking about historic times, but about when the original, caucasoid Berbers lived in North Africa and when negroes lived on the other side of the drying region now known as the Saharra. The original inhabitants of that arid zone were KhoiSan people, as the rock art, shows not your type of negro. So the Berbers have mixed first with KhoiSan then later with your type of negro giving rise to the contemporary Berbers. It is the same for the Arabs. The Arabs have mixed with negroes and assimilated other Semitic speakers who were not Arabs. Originally the Arabs were caucasians. Now with Islam, mixing and assimilation who knows what Arabs are. You have to stop mixing the ancient past with what exists today. If you think everyone who does not agree with you is stupid then you are stupid. Maybe what is said about negro intelligence being inferior is correct. I thought not, but you are starting to convince me.
This is my crystal ball gazing. Chadic and Omotic will probably be found to have nothing at all to do with Berber, Egyptian or Semitic languages. And yes they probably are African and negro languages probably stemming from contacts with caucasian speakers of the genuine caucasian Afro-Asiatic languages. They are poor copies. Children do copy in an inferior fashion their elders. Semitic Arabic is the medium, mean and mode of Afro-Asiatic and the only one worth considering.
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