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Post by phrost on Jan 24, 2006 12:16:35 GMT -5
Should we be surprise? www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/08/25/wpaed25.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/08/25/ixportal.htmlNeo-Nazi kills paedophile priest in jail By Marcus Warren (Filed: 25/08/2003) Victims of a paedophile priest expressed regret yesterday that he had escaped years in prison after being killed by a fellow inmate. John Geoghan, 68, was strangled by John Druce, 37, a convicted murderer and neo-Nazi, at a Massachusetts jail at the weekend. Father John Geoghan He had been jailed in January last year for a maximum of 10 years for molesting a boy in 1991, but was accused of many more sex assaults. Spokesmen for those seeking justice for their ordeal at Geoghan's hands expressed regret that his murder had spared the disgraced Catholic priest from any more justice. "Many of my clients would rather have seen Fr Geoghan serve out his time in jail and endure the rigours of further criminal trials so that his paedophile acts could have been exposed further," said Mitchell Garabedian, a lawyer for dozens of victims. Phil Saviano, founder of the Boston chapter of the Survivors' Network, said: "I know some survivors may feel a certain degree of satisfaction but it's important for people to realise that nobody should come to an end like this. I would have liked to have seen Geoghan spend many years in prison, with time to reflect on the havoc he inflicted on so many young people." A spokesman for the Boston Roman Catholic archdiocese called the death "tragic" and said the Church was offering "prayers for the repose of John's soul". Geoghan, unfrocked in 1998, was the most notorious figure in the controversy over paedophile priests which engulfed the Boston archdiocese and then the Church nationwide last year. When exposed, the efforts of the Church hierarchy to shield him and others from the law provoked outrage, much litigation and, eventually, the resignation of Boston's cardinal, Bernard Law. Georghan was convicted of assaulting a 10-year-old boy in a swimming pool, but was accused by more than 130 others of sex abuse over his three decades in the ministry. Geoghan's attacker was described by some media as "a regular Boston strangler", who was serving a life sentence for murder. The Boston Globe newspaper reported that Druce, who changed his name from Darrin Smiledge a few years ago, had a grudge against homosexuals, as well as a hatred of blacks and Jews. His father, Dana Smiledge, said: "I can't understand why they would put a guy who would kill a sex offender in a cell with a sex offender." Massachusetts prisons officials would not say whether the two men knew each other or were in the same cell.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 24, 2006 13:21:52 GMT -5
So-called victims organizations are the biggest hypocrites I've ever known. Alot of them talk about God and how God helps through the hard times are losing or going through tough trials with family and friends who are victims but then turn around and have no forgiveness for the person who committed the crime. If you have no forgiveness for a person who has sinned and instead have all of this vile wrath and hate you're not walking with God, you're playing right into Satan's hands. They need to quit thanking God for convictions and death senetences being handed out to criminals, what God does and what man does are two different things.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 24, 2006 13:37:29 GMT -5
Should we be surprise? No. It happened two and a half years ago.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 24, 2006 13:50:00 GMT -5
Should we be surprise? No. It happened two and a half years ago. lol
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 24, 2006 14:03:43 GMT -5
So-called victims organizations are the biggest hypocrites I've ever known. Alot of them talk about God and how God helps through the hard times are losing or going through tough trials with family and friends who are victims but then turn around and have no forgiveness for the person who committed the crime. If you have no forgiveness for a person who has sinned and instead have all of this vile wrath and hate you're not walking with God, you're playing right into Satan's hands. They need to quit thanking God for convictions and death senetences being handed out to criminals, what God does and what man does are two different things. I saw a show on American television regarding the most prolific serial killer, the so called "green river killer", where preceding his sentencing the family of the victims were allowed to say something. One man stood up and had claimed to have "forgiven him", since that's what a "good" Christian is supposed to do. After hearing this I was confused more than words could explain. A person that could whole heartedly "forgive" the murderer of their child, deserve to be the ones that reaps the terrible crime in the first place. Many others are forced to have to deal with a more Worldly and Human reality, with all ramifications involved, which is nothing less than fully and completely devastating. Since they don't have the luxury of a virtue like self-delusion these "good Christians" obviously posses.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 24, 2006 14:08:10 GMT -5
I think they call that being "Pious"...Sounds like a crock of shit to me!
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Post by wendland on Jan 25, 2006 2:26:23 GMT -5
I imagine that forgiving someone who has wronged you in a terrible way is extremely difficult, but that's... life. If you dwell on a bad thing, no matter how big it is (like your whole family being murdered) that crime will have won and ruined your life forever. The challenge is to eventually forgive... It's the essence of Christianity, and it's not meant to be easy. Of course, that doesn't mean just letting yourself be walked over. The opposite is the desire for revenge, which won't bring your murdered/harmed loved one back anyway. About the pedophile getting offed in prison, I'm not surprised, and that is a kind of poetic justice. On the other hand, I hope the people he hurt, have been able to get over it and move on.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 10:50:14 GMT -5
I imagine that forgiving someone who has wronged you in a terrible way is extremely difficult, but that's... life. If you dwell on a bad thing, no matter how big it is (like your whole family being murdered) that crime will have won and ruined your life forever. The challenge is to eventually forgive... It's the essence of Christianity, and it's not meant to be easy. Of course, that doesn't mean just letting yourself be walked over. The opposite is the desire for revenge, which won't bring your murdered/harmed loved one back anyway. About the pedophile getting offed in prison, I'm not surprised, and that is a kind of poetic justice. On the other hand, I hope the people he hurt, have been able to get over it and move on. that crime will have won and ruined your life forever Thats usually what someone murdering your child has done. Ruined your life. Anyone that would act as if it hadn't accomplished it, is insane and delusional.
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 12:36:22 GMT -5
I imagine that forgiving someone who has wronged you in a terrible way is extremely difficult, but that's... life. If you dwell on a bad thing, no matter how big it is (like your whole family being murdered) that crime will have won and ruined your life forever. The challenge is to eventually forgive... It's the essence of Christianity, and it's not meant to be easy. Thats usually what someone murdering your child has done. Ruined your life. Anyone that would act as if it hadn't accomplished it, is insane and delusional. I think acting as if it didn't would make the pain come back in some horrible manifestation. The life you had up until experiencing such horror is ruined. Yet, there you are alive and have life yet to live. Like a survivor of a personal holocaust, a Christian is on a personal quest towards spiritual amelioration, and healing. The point is not to give up because one may never be able to forgive, but that the possiblity of forgiveness, which seems frightful from the first reaction to tragedy, requires a journey. And in the end, a state of love existing above the pain. Failing to get that far is no sin.
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Post by phrost on Jan 25, 2006 12:46:29 GMT -5
Should we be surprise? No. It happened two and a half years ago. No really Sherlock
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 25, 2006 14:02:04 GMT -5
I imagine that forgiving someone who has wronged you in a terrible way is extremely difficult, but that's... life. If you dwell on a bad thing, no matter how big it is (like your whole family being murdered) that crime will have won and ruined your life forever. The challenge is to eventually forgive... It's the essence of Christianity, and it's not meant to be easy. Thats usually what someone murdering your child has done. Ruined your life. Anyone that would act as if it hadn't accomplished it, is insane and delusional. I think acting as if it didn't would make the pain come back in some horrible manifestation. The life you had up until experiencing such horror is ruined. Yet, there you are alive and have life yet to live. Like a survivor of a personal holocaust, a Christian is on a personal quest towards spiritual amelioration, and healing. The point is not to give up because one may never be able to forgive, but that the possiblity of forgiveness, which seems frightful from the first reaction to tragedy, requires a journey. And in the end, a state of love existing above the pain. Failing to get that far is no sin. Very touching, seriously, I'm not joking.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 25, 2006 14:11:02 GMT -5
The essence of being a Christian is having forgiveness, if you don't you have a relationship with God. Jesus Christ set the perfect example for all men to follow by being crucified by his enemies on the cross, then forgiving them, there's no better example than that. As someone stated already in this thread, being a Christian is not easy, times will get rough and there will be situations that will test your faith and capacity to forgive, if you come up short you can't blame the trials and tribulations but yourself. Losing a loved one to a murderer is *NOT* an excuse to act un-Christian like; Job lost his entire family and livelihood and never cursed God, so why should we be un-Christian like? The ways of man are crooked but the way of God is perfect. The same man you're condemning to hell because he murdered a loved one can still go to heaven and the person who condemns him can go to hell, think about it, the first shall be last and last shall be first!
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 14:14:55 GMT -5
I think acting as if it didn't would make the pain come back in some horrible manifestation. The life you had up until experiencing such horror is ruined. Yet, there you are alive and have life yet to live. Like a survivor of a personal holocaust, a Christian is on a personal quest towards spiritual amelioration, and healing. The point is not to give up because one may never be able to forgive, but that the possiblity of forgiveness, which seems frightful from the first reaction to tragedy, requires a journey. And in the end, a state of love existing above the pain. Failing to get that far is no sin. Very touching, seriously, I'm not joking. okay
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Post by annienormanna on Jan 25, 2006 14:17:04 GMT -5
The essence of being a Christian is having forgiveness, if you don't you have a relationship with God. Jesus Christ set the perfect example for all men to follow by being crucified by his enemies on the cross, then forgiving them, there's no better example than that. As someone stated already in this thread, being a Christian is not easy, times will get rough and there will be situations that will test your faith and capacity to forgive, if you come up short you can't blame the trials and tribulations but yourself. Losing a loved one to a murderer is *NOT* an excuse to act un-Christian like; Job lost his entire family and livelihood and never cursed God, so why should we be un-Christian like? The ways of man are crooked but the way of God is perfect. The same man you're condemning to hell because he murdered a loved one can still go to heaven and the person who condemns him can go to hell, think about it, the first shall be last and last shall be first! Yeah. Well your avatar is as a good a Jesus as any else I've seen.
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Post by dukeofpain on Jan 25, 2006 15:02:33 GMT -5
I imagine that forgiving someone who has wronged you in a terrible way is extremely difficult, but that's... life. If you dwell on a bad thing, no matter how big it is (like your whole family being murdered) that crime will have won and ruined your life forever. The challenge is to eventually forgive... It's the essence of Christianity, and it's not meant to be easy. Thats usually what someone murdering your child has done. Ruined your life. Anyone that would act as if it hadn't accomplished it, is insane and delusional. I think acting as if it didn't would make the pain come back in some horrible manifestation. The life you had up until experiencing such horror is ruined. Yet, there you are alive and have life yet to live. Like a survivor of a personal holocaust, a Christian is on a personal quest towards spiritual amelioration, and healing. The point is not to give up because one may never be able to forgive, but that the possiblity of forgiveness, which seems frightful from the first reaction to tragedy, requires a journey. And in the end, a state of love existing above the pain. Failing to get that far is no sin. Thats the worst thing about christianity. The faux virtues. When in the real world, things like martyrdom and the loving of ones enemies, is insane to an absurd degree, even inhuman.
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