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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 5, 2006 11:32:58 GMT -5
Again, look no further than a page back to see that Icelandics have Saami admixture. Are you referring to this ? : This just means that the ancient Norse people who settled to Iceland traded with the Sámi, not that some of the settlers were actually Sámi.
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 5, 2006 13:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 5, 2006 15:06:04 GMT -5
Bjork would look more at home in Mongolia based on her phenotype than she would in any Caucasoid country in Europe or the Middle East.I don't know of any Caucasoid country where the average person looks like Bjork.
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Post by Springa on Jan 5, 2006 17:39:06 GMT -5
Agreed. But it doesn't mean that her genotype would also be more at home in Mongolia. Bjork would look more at home in Mongolia based on her phenotype than she would in any Caucasoid country in Europe or the Middle East.I don't know of any Caucasoid country where the average person looks like Bjork.
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Post by Springa on Jan 5, 2006 17:41:01 GMT -5
I'd say South Africa, followed by the U.S. and then Australia. Australia is more recent and had no african slaves. Which country is more racially mixed South Africa ,America or Australia?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 5, 2006 17:46:59 GMT -5
America is more racially mixed than South Africa because America has the large mixed race Hispanic population not to mention that 30% of European Americans are not pure Caucasoids and a large number of Black Americans are not pure Negroids either and lets not forget that Asian American women are creating Euro Asian offpsrings like crazy with their White husbands/boyfriends.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 5, 2006 22:46:19 GMT -5
Just for fun, here's a page where you can see the descendants of that Mulatto in Iceland: www.simnet.is/hansjonatanClick on "myndir" and "fleiri myndir" to see older pictures. They look like Melungeons.
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Post by mb on Jan 6, 2006 1:34:35 GMT -5
White skin, brown hair and a button nose don't define a Caucasoid. There are plenty of white-skinned brown-haired Mongoloids. I personally know at least three, and I'm talking about Han Chinese, not ambiguous Uralic Siberian groups. I don't doubt it. But when one sees a white skinned, dark haired and button nosed Icelandic whose known ancestors are Icelandic I'd say it's most reasonable to assume her features are infact a result of random recombination and a slight Inuit admixture than anything else. BTW, Agnes Pihlava, who participated Finnish edition of Idols, but is in fact Polish (from the North Western part of the country if I remember correctly) does look quite a lot like Björk (especially the nose and the mouth). Well, Pihlava is a Finnish, not Polish name. But yeah, on her official bio it says that she is born in Leszno, Poland. (Wikipedia says she's born in Hartola, Finland... but I think that's just her home town)
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 6, 2006 6:11:46 GMT -5
I don't doubt it. But when one sees a white skinned, dark haired and button nosed Icelandic whose known ancestors are Icelandic I'd say it's most reasonable to assume her features are infact a result of random recombination and a slight Inuit admixture than anything else. BTW, Agnes Pihlava, who participated Finnish edition of Idols, but is in fact Polish (from the North Western part of the country if I remember correctly) does look quite a lot like Björk (especially the nose and the mouth). Well, Pihlava is a Finnish, not Polish name. But yeah, on her official bio it says that she is born in Leszno, Poland. (Wikipedia says she's born in Hartola, Finland... but I think that's just her home town) No, she is Polish. She married a Finn a couple of years ago and moved to Finland. I'm amazed of how well she speaks Finnish already. She has a great, deep voice too.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 6, 2006 7:16:08 GMT -5
You are not very familiar with the population genetic studies, are you ? If you were, you would know that the mtDNA haplogroups used to determine maternal DNA lineages usually have a very large distribution all over Europe, possibly because the markers defining them can be traced back 15000-50000 years and because of the padrilocal exogamy. I admit that I'm an amateur here too, but I've read both this study on Icelandic mtDNA: www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v66n3/991226/991226.htmlAnd this, more recent and , study on the Sámi DNA: www.oxfordancestors.com/papers/mtDNA04%20Saami.pdfNow, the only way to tell with absolute certainty that there is an actual Sámi admixture (probably still through the Norwegians, though), was to determine whether the U5 lineages found among the Icelandic also presented the subhaplogroup U5b1b1 with and additional mutation at np 16189. This is the famous "Sámi motif", found among all the Sámi groups with an average frequency of 38 %, but very rare among the other populations.
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Post by tatus on Jan 6, 2006 11:07:19 GMT -5
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 6, 2006 15:39:34 GMT -5
Eh, why? I've simply copied what stood in the linked article. You'll have to notify them if you don't agree.
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Post by vgambler33 on Jan 6, 2006 15:52:14 GMT -5
I'd say South Africa, followed by the U.S. and then Australia. Australia is more recent and had no african slaves. Abit off course here......but I was thinking the samething,South Africa's black population is about 70% then you add in coloreds,malays and indians.That is way over % wise. Plus South Africans once confused this boy for white: would this have happened in the US or Australia He don't look white.
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Post by tatus on Jan 6, 2006 16:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by mb on Jan 7, 2006 1:15:26 GMT -5
Well, Pihlava is a Finnish, not Polish name. But yeah, on her official bio it says that she is born in Leszno, Poland. (Wikipedia says she's born in Hartola, Finland... but I think that's just her home town) No, she is Polish. She married a Finn a couple of years ago and moved to Finland. I'm amazed of how well she speaks Finnish already. She has a great, deep voice too. She has obviously changed her name from the Polish "Agnieszka", to Agnes, too. I had assumed she was at least half-Finn, but born in Poland.
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