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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 3, 2006 18:40:04 GMT -5
Finally a voice of reason.Bjork is about as pure Caucasoid as Prince is a pure Negroid.
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Post by galton on Jan 3, 2006 22:54:24 GMT -5
Bjork has clear non-Caucasoid admixture. Anyone who is denying this is in denial. I knew I wasn't seeing things.
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Post by wendland on Jan 3, 2006 22:59:02 GMT -5
Bjork looks caucasoid: white skin, brown hair, button nose (they call that East Baltic?). So, what is supposedly mongoloid about her appearance? She has a kind of "elfish" look, a look not so very, very uncommon for many caucasoids. Does any time someone sees big lips mean negroid admixture? Is Mick Jagger mulatto?
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 4, 2006 1:33:28 GMT -5
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 4, 2006 4:53:06 GMT -5
Well, if Björk was to have some kind of Mongoloid admixture it would be very much more recent than that of the Sámi. Ancestors of Sámi - who are by no means a homogenous group linguistically, culturally or even genetically - arrived to Carelia and Northern Scandinavia starting from 9000 BC. Any "recent" - and I'm talking about thousands of years still - admixture with Samoyeds, for instance, was ruled out by the famous genetic study of 2004. Finnish - probably Inari, since their origins, culture and language too seem to differ a lot from the other Sámi groups - Sámi have up to 15 % of mtDNA haplogroups Z and D5 commonly found in East Eurasia.
Yes, there haven't been Inuits in Iceland. However, there were Norse settlements in Greenland for almost 500 years from around 1000 AC to 1500 AC, and Iceland was important "tap" when Greenland was recolonized in the 18th century. Both the Icelandic sagas and the Inuit folklore speak about "strangers" they met in Greenland, so there definitely were contacts between the two populations. And since the Greenlandic settlements weren't autosufficient, there was an intense traffic between Iceland and Greenland at least for the first 200-300 years. Settlements in Greenland eventually died out mainly due to climate changes. There has been much debate about what happened to the settlers, but I'm fairly certain there was some back immigration especially when sailing still wasn't too difficult. Icelandic Sagas do report a case in which a settler returning from Greenland brought two aborigines with him to Norway and raised them as his sons. This might not be an isolated case.
More importantly, haplogroup Q, of clearly Siberian origins and common in the New World has been found among the Icelandic, and reaches frequences up to 10 % in Shetland. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find out if it's Q3 common among the Inuit, the Eurasian Q.
Therefore, even if I think that the looks of Björk are caused basicly by a random recombination of various "Caucasoid" traits, it's not out of the question that she has some more or less - it's not out of question that there is an Inuit in her family tree in past 200 years, either - distantant Inuit admixture. Given her ethnicity it still remain more plausable theory than her having some Sámi ancestors.
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Post by Dienekes on Jan 4, 2006 5:03:12 GMT -5
Bjork looks caucasoid: white skin, brown hair, button nose (they call that East Baltic?). White skin, brown hair and a button nose don't define a Caucasoid. There are plenty of white-skinned brown-haired Mongoloids. I personally know at least three, and I'm talking about Han Chinese, not ambiguous Uralic Siberian groups.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 4, 2006 5:25:49 GMT -5
White skin, brown hair and a button nose don't define a Caucasoid. There are plenty of white-skinned brown-haired Mongoloids. I personally know at least three, and I'm talking about Han Chinese, not ambiguous Uralic Siberian groups. I don't doubt it. But when one sees a white skinned, dark haired and button nosed Icelandic whose known ancestors are Icelandic I'd say it's most reasonable to assume her features are infact a result of random recombination and a slight Inuit admixture than anything else. BTW, Agnes Pihlava, who participated Finnish edition of Idols, but is in fact Polish (from the North Western part of the country if I remember correctly) does look quite a lot like Björk (especially the nose and the mouth).
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Post by Springa on Jan 4, 2006 6:48:22 GMT -5
She's not. For the last time: Bjork is not half anything. Both halfs are Icelandic. She just looks different than average. I'm not sure, but I believe Bjork is half Chinese.
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Post by Springa on Jan 4, 2006 6:52:38 GMT -5
I wasn't parroting you, I was refuting what you said. I hadn't seen the subsequent post where you refute yourself. Sorry, I don't really expect people to write something and then write the exact opposite. But good that you're not too stubborn to admit when you're wrong, this board needs more people like you. It's well known bullshit, that's what it is. First, there were no eskimos in Iceland, and a few castaways wouldn't make any difference. Also, can you really picture people having children with eskimo castaways in ancient Iceland? Second, according to genetic studies, the Icelandic people are the single most purely European people in the world. Bjork looks like that because of chance. Look at her, no single trait of hers is impossible for a white person. I mean, you will see people with a nose like hers, with hair like hers, head shape, eyes, etc... which individually don't make a person look asian. But every once in a while a child will be born with this asian looking combination of all these traits, because of chance, because the combination of genes that for our appearance is random. So, once and for all: Inceland has nothing to do with Eskimos and Bjork is 100% european. nice but you are just parroting what i said
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 4, 2006 6:52:51 GMT -5
Well somewhere in her full Icelander genes,there lies the Mongoloid presence.
I would classify her as lappish or Ladogan Caucasoid sub-race, which have mongoloid admixtures/ accretions.
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Post by Springa on Jan 4, 2006 6:57:22 GMT -5
Sorry, it wasn't quite clear to me (if you were indeed doing what you said you were). By the way, I never insulted anyone, bullshit just means something that isn't true, I don't know if that's what made you think I was nervous about something, but I don't see what else. Plus, who's justifying one's musical taste? This just makes no sense. Is it supposed to be humourous or something? Did you bother reading my last reply to Yigal? I conceded already. Besides, I didn't speculate as to the origin of Bjork's phentotype, nor did I claim that Icelanders are Eskimos. All I said is that Kemp could probably "deny her whiteness" with relative ease -- he's made sillier claims. You should probably calm down, maybe get some water or something, and try to lighten up. You don't have to justify your crappy taste in music to us, habibi.
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Post by Springa on Jan 4, 2006 7:09:17 GMT -5
I used to think she was mixed myself, but the problem is: there's absolutely no indication of non caucasoid admixture in her family and in her country even. She's always claimed to be 100% Incelandic on both sides and there's absolutely no history of (non european) immigration in Iceland prior to her parent's generation. By the way, her parents look fully caucasian. I asked an Incelandic friend of mine about it and he confirmed that she's fully icelandic, and he's even got friends in common with her (it's a small country after all). He said she's considered a "special" person there and her looks are regarded as part of this "special" character, but everyone knows she's nothing but icelandic. Therefore, if we decide she's mixed, we need to have faith in it despite all the available information indicating the opposite. As I said before, in her case it's most likely that because of the "gene lottery" so to say, she came out with combined traits that individually wouldn't be seen as non white, but that don't appear all together very often in a white person. What I mean is. White people can have her head shape. white people can have her nose. White people can have her eyes even. And so son. But out of 1000's of people one will be born with all of those together. It's odd, but it could happen. It's not like she looks Nigerian or anything. Bjork looks caucasoid: white skin, brown hair, button nose (they call that East Baltic?). White skin, brown hair and a button nose don't define a Caucasoid. There are plenty of white-skinned brown-haired Mongoloids. I personally know at least three, and I'm talking about Han Chinese, not ambiguous Uralic Siberian groups.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 4, 2006 7:21:03 GMT -5
Occam's razor.
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Post by Funky Kong on Jan 4, 2006 10:54:45 GMT -5
I posted two links on the previous page which showed the Icelandics have ancient ties with Saamis.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 4, 2006 15:48:09 GMT -5
Springa have you ever seen White Brazilians that look like Bjork.
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