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Post by wadad on Dec 29, 2005 10:25:16 GMT -5
While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration, I stumbled unto this news from the US: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10609068/I never knew there was so much support to revoke this right of citizenship, I mean we all heard the debates but could this actually happen? WTF the United States was founded on immigration. Is it me or does everyone wants to be the last immigrant in, and then bolt the door shut, behind them?
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Post by nockwasright on Dec 29, 2005 11:11:37 GMT -5
I never knew there was so much support to revoke this right of citizenship, I mean we all heard the debates but could this actually happen? WTF the United States was founded on immigration. Is it me or does everyone wants to be the last immigrant in, and then bolt the door shut, behind them? It's not you, but it's also very reasonable. I think you will agree there can be no limitless immigration, so once we all know there must be a limit, its open to discussion where to put the limit. I don't think the USA are founded on immigration btw. They are founded by a particular set of values that is a spin off of English speaking Europeans' culture. Immigrants more or less adapted to that set of values and that's why hypenated euroamerican are actually much more alike each other (culturally) than their European ancestors. Every population moved, if we go back in time, this doesn't mean there's a right to immigration.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 29, 2005 13:54:53 GMT -5
I never knew there was so much support to revoke this right of citizenship, I mean we all heard the debates but could this actually happen? WTF the United States was founded on immigration. Is it me or does everyone wants to be the last immigrant in, and then bolt the door shut, behind them? It's not you, but it's also very reasonable. I think you will agree there can be no limitless immigration, so once we all know there must be a limit, its open to discussion where to put the limit. I don't think the USA are founded on immigration btw. They are founded by a particular set of values that is a spin off of English speaking Europeans' culture. Immigrants more or less adapted to that set of values and that's why hypenated euroamerican are actually much more alike each other (culturally) than their European ancestors. Every population moved, if we go back in time, this doesn't mean there's a right to immigration. Very true, Nock
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 29, 2005 18:56:28 GMT -5
While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration, I stumbled unto this news from the US: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10609068/I never knew there was so much support to revoke this right of citizenship, I mean we all heard the debates but could this actually happen? WTF the United States was founded on immigration. Is it me or does everyone wants to be the last immigrant in, and then bolt the door shut, behind them? Who are you to say how Canadians should feel about immigration? you're the immigrant. I don't like the fact that Canada, whom is but one of a number of countries being swamped by third world immigration, is being compromised for an agenda that has nothing to do with people in the country. Rather for whatever twisted agenda the "professional" politician charlatan scumbags make of it, and for capitalist thugs who want to fill the positions of their enterprise with laborers that will happily accept a few pennies salary, and for this, who ultimately suffer, is Canadians, not to mention from the slew of social problems that are transplanted with the immigrants, up to and including the murder of 15 year old girls. You can call me , or for that matter, all Canadians who oppose immigration scum bags. It's not going to change opinions though. It just goes to show that you're on the other side, the subversive side.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 29, 2005 19:27:35 GMT -5
Canada is gonna end up being as Black as nearby Detroit if the Canadian government doesen't limit the number of Africans and West Indians who come into Canada and if your country's racial makeup ends up resembling Detroit than you can bet your bottom dollar that the crime and homicide rate in Canada is gonna resemble that of Detroit's as well.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 29, 2005 20:08:28 GMT -5
While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration, I stumbled unto this news from the US: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10609068/I never knew there was so much support to revoke this right of citizenship, I mean we all heard the debates but could this actually happen? WTF the United States was founded on immigration. Is it me or does everyone wants to be the last immigrant in, and then bolt the door shut, behind them? Unbelievable you say? what I find unbelievable is your own disbelief of those Americans opinions, as if they're committing some kind of offense and not the other way around. Or people like you, or American Jewish organizations finding disbelief in Americans securing their own borders. Thats unbelievable, and brave at that.
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Post by wadad on Dec 29, 2005 23:31:19 GMT -5
While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration, I stumbled unto this news from the US: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10609068/I never knew there was so much support to revoke this right of citizenship, I mean we all heard the debates but could this actually happen? WTF the United States was founded on immigration. Is it me or does everyone wants to be the last immigrant in, and then bolt the door shut, behind them? Who are you to say how Canadians should feel about immigration? you're the immigrant. I don't like the fact that Canada, whom is but one of a number of countries being swamped by third world immigration, is being compromised for an agenda that has nothing to do with people in the country. Rather for whatever twisted agenda the "professional" politician charlatan scumbags make of it, and for capitalist thugs who want to fill the positions of their enterprise with laborers that will happily accept a few pennies salary, and for this, who ultimately suffer, is Canadians, not to mention from the slew of social problems that are transplanted with the immigrants, up to and including the murder of 15 year old girls. You can call me , or for that matter, all Canadians who oppose immigration scum bags. It's not going to change opinions though. It just goes to show that you're on the other side, the subversive side. LOL I hope next time you read the link I provide before you start ranting like a headless chicken. What does anything got to do with Canada
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Post by wadad on Dec 29, 2005 23:49:07 GMT -5
While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration, I stumbled unto this news from the US: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10609068/I never knew there was so much support to revoke this right of citizenship, I mean we all heard the debates but could this actually happen? WTF the United States was founded on immigration. Is it me or does everyone wants to be the last immigrant in, and then bolt the door shut, behind them? Unbelievable you say? what I find unbelievable is your own disbelief of those Americans opinions, as if they're committing some kind of offense and not the other way around. Or people like you, or American Jewish organizations finding disbelief in Americans securing their own borders. Thats unbelievable, and brave at that. Im brave? thanks...Seems sometimes impartiality can be seen as a "noble act" I'd like it to be a given. You're right, I'd be an idiot to not ally myself with Jewish Groups and Jewish interests...their victories are my victories as far as your concerned, bitch. Im on the winning team, not you. Dont need to hear your most likely racist and or anti-semitic retort, so: Just take your paranoia, racism and anti-semitism somewhere more relevant please. dont let the door hit ya on the way out too, psycho Nock, I agree with you regarding limiting immigration, I am not contesting that. I am contesting something that is a constitutionally sanctioned right: Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Wouldnt any action taken to revoke US-born babies to illegal immigrants go against the 14th amendment? Actually what is the point of debating something they know will just stirr up already rampant anti-immigrant sentiments? I see no other point, wouldn't this require a constitutional amendment (or repeal of the 14th(?) amendment)? It's one of those great topics that pundits and politicians can talk about without the fear of really changing anything But the US wont amend its constituition... It's no coincidence that every amendment save one (and that one was overturned) enumerates the rights of the people rather than restricts them. Anyone who favors an Amendment restricting birthright citizenship is a Constitutional idiot. Of course, these issues are designed to play to the ignorant among the Americans, so this comes as no surprise.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 30, 2005 0:15:42 GMT -5
Who are you to say how Canadians should feel about immigration? you're the immigrant. I don't like the fact that Canada, whom is but one of a number of countries being swamped by third world immigration, is being compromised for an agenda that has nothing to do with people in the country. Rather for whatever twisted agenda the "professional" politician charlatan scumbags make of it, and for capitalist thugs who want to fill the positions of their enterprise with laborers that will happily accept a few pennies salary, and for this, who ultimately suffer, is Canadians, not to mention from the slew of social problems that are transplanted with the immigrants, up to and including the murder of 15 year old girls. You can call me , or for that matter, all Canadians who oppose immigration scum bags. It's not going to change opinions though. It just goes to show that you're on the other side, the subversive side. LOL I hope next time you read the link I provide before you start ranting like a headless chicken. What does anything got to do with Canada I have to do with canada. And you included me into your bullshit by posting this: "While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration" Cretin
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Post by wadad on Dec 30, 2005 0:18:59 GMT -5
LOL I hope next time you read the link I provide before you start ranting like a headless chicken. What does anything got to do with Canada I have to do with canada. And you included me into your bullshit by posting this: "While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration" Cretin OK its tit for tat with the name-calling, Im done with that.. What does you being canadian matter in this thread? Im just as Canadian as you, and then some. If you want to argue something how about the Birthright citizenship debate? Where are you DeLacroix???
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 30, 2005 0:23:48 GMT -5
If only idiots had the ability too see how stupidly idiotic they are. I guess they wouldn't be idiots then though, huh.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 30, 2005 0:24:48 GMT -5
I have to do with canada. And you included me into your bullshit by posting this: "While arguing with that scumbag DukeofPain about immigration" Cretin OK its tit for tat with the name-calling, Im done with that.. What does you being canadian matter in this thread? Im just as Canadian as you, and then some. If you want to argue something how about the Birthright citizenship debate? Where are you DeLacroix??? Ya right. If that was true you wouldn't have taken issue in the first place.
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Post by wadad on Dec 30, 2005 0:26:35 GMT -5
So the Americans here, do you actually believe a bar on birthright citizenship wouldn't slow illegal immigration. It would just make a bunch of brown babies illegal immigrants. I thought you guys were against increasing the number of illegal immigrants. Y'all need a quick logic fix.
You think Maria and Jose are going to stop screwing because their baby won't be a U.S. citizen? Or do you think Maria's going to drag her pregnant ass back over the border to have the baby because of such an Amendment?
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 30, 2005 0:29:00 GMT -5
Wadad it won't make a dime's worth of difference your right Maria is still gonna have 30 kids no matter what a piece of paper says.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 30, 2005 0:37:30 GMT -5
So the Americans here, do you actually believe a bar on birthright citizenship wouldn't slow illegal immigration. It would just make a bunch of brown babies illegal immigrants. I thought you guys were against increasing the number of illegal immigrants. Y'all need a quick logic fix. You think Maria and Jose are going to stop screwing because their baby won't be a U.S. citizen? Or do you think Maria's going to drag her pregnant ass back over the border to have the baby because of such an Amendment? I think Jose and Maria should respect our laws and not hop the border. There is work in southern Mexico for farm hands. Central Americans have been immigrating illegally to southern Mexico for the past ten years to work those lands. The Mexican federal troops have been placed on the border to stop this wave of central American immigrants and there have been atrocities documented. So it's kind of hypocritical for Vincente Fox, or anyone else, to look poorly at any American who wants to shut the border considering what the Mexican government has been doing on their southern border. I don't mind limited immigration and guest worker programs but what's currently happening on our southern border is a crime.
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